If You Are Going To Cheer For This Team, You Should Know Its History
First off, I just want to let you know this is not a hate post directed at fans of the Thunder. I did a little research before posting and this community seems to have a general respect to what happened and is still happening to the Sonics. Which, honestly, is a big breath of fresh air in contrast to the other Thunder fans I have come across. I came here to share my story and my teams history with you guys.
"My love of basketball wasn't born in an arena. It wasn't born because I was watching millionaires. It was born because my brother and I nailed a coffee can to a tree in our front yard and played with a roll of tape"- Sherman Alexie
1960s (Beginnings of a Franchise)
In December of 1966, two loaded businessmen and a group of minority partners were awarded the right to start an NBA franchise in the city of Seattle. Named after Boeing's recently awarded contract, the SuperSonics were Seattle's first professional sports team. The new team did not exactly hit the track running, with a 144–116 loss in their first game, and ended the season with a 23–59 record. All-Star Walt Hazzard was traded to the Atlanta Hawks in the 1968 offseason for Lenny Wilkens. Wilkens brought a strong all-around game to the SuperSonics, averaging 22.4 points per game, 8.2 assists per game, and 6.2 rebounds per game for Seattle in the 1968-1969 season. Seattle had a rising star in Bob Rule, who improved on his rookie season with 24 points per game to go along with 11.5 rebounds per game. The SuperSonics, however, only won 30 games and Lenny Wilkens was promoted to a player/coach during the offseason.
1970s (Lenny Wilkens Leads Sonics)

In the 1969-1970 season, the Sonics finished with another losing record. Wilkens and Bob Rule were the team’s best players, and represented Seattle in the All-Star Game. In the 1970 offseason, owner Sam Schulman threatened to move the team to Los Angeles to be rivals with the Lakers, in order to bring in more revenue. The team stayed in Seattle however. It wasn't until the 1970-1971 season when the Sonics had their first winning season lead by Rookie of the Year Spencer Haywood and the lovable leader Lenny Wilkens. In the offseason though, Wilkens was traded to Cleveland, a move that was hated by Sonic fans. The next season, the Sonics fell to a 26-56 record. The lone bright spot in the 1972-1973 season was the continued rise of Spencer Haywood.

The legendary Bill Russell was hired to coach the Sonics in the 1973-1974 season, and he took them to the playoffs in 1975, led by Fred Brown, Slick Watts, and Spencer Haywood. The Sonics traded Spencer Haywood following the Sonics playoff loss to the Golden State Warriors. Even though they lost their star, the SuperSonics again made the playoffs in 1976, this time led by Brown, Watts, and the young Tommy Burleson. Watts led the NBA in both steals and assists, while being selected as to the All-NBA Defensive First Team. Coach Bill Russell left the Sonics in 1977, and Bob Hopkins was brought in to coach. After a 5-17 start to the 1977 season, the Sonics brought back Lenny Wilkens to replace Hopkins, and the Sonics turned things around, finishing the season 47-35. The Sonics went all the way to the Finals that year, though they lost to the Washington Bullets in 7 games. The next season the SuperSonics finished 52-30 and went all the way to the NBA Finals again. It was a rematch of the 1977 Finals, but this time the Sonics beat the Bullets in 5 games. This remains as Seattle’s first and only major sports title. After the radio sang the end of the game, there was a party in the streets of the city, as people gathered to share the new pride of Seattle. The Sonics led the league in attendance the next two seasons.

1980s (Failing To Build Off Championship)

The first season of the new decade saw the Sonics finish 52-26, proving to be one of the NBA’s true powerhouses. They made it to the playoffs that season, but lost the Lakers in 5 games in the Western Conference Finals. The Sonics fell to a 34-48 record in the 1980-1981 season, as several key players had disappointing years. After two more mediocre seasons, the SuperSonics were sold to Barry Ackerley for $11 million. In 1984 Sonics legend Fred Brown retired after 13 seasons, all spent with Seattle, and his number was retired in 1986. The second half of the 80s saw Seattle finish with underwhelming results, although they did make the Western Conference Finals in 1989.
1990s (Shawn Kemp/Gary Payton Era)

The 1990s are associated with the rise of the two best players in franchise history, as Seattle’s first round picks Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton (along with Seattle Mariner superstar Ken Griffey Jr.) became Seattle sports icons. The first two seasons of the 90s saw the Sonics miss the playoffs. In 1992, Seattle hired coach George Carl, which marked the resurgence of a basketball powerhouse.

With the continued improvement of Payton and Kemp, Seattle finished 55-27 in the 1992-1993 season, and made the playoffs. In the 1993-1994 season the Sonics were the best team in the NBA, finishing with a 63-19 record, but were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. They made the playoffs again in the 1994-1995 season but were eliminated again in the first round. Their current coliseum was renovated and was renamed the Key Arena, which was to be the Sonics new and final home.
In the new arena, the team finished 64-18 and were led by Payton, Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, and center Sam Perkins. They played Michael Jordan and the Bulls in the Finals, but lost in six games.

In the 1996 offseason, the Sonics gave center Jim McIlvaine a 7 year/$33 million contract. This is the reason you there is an Oklahoma City Thunder. Fan favorite Shawn Kemp perceived the signing as disrespect because McIlvaine was now the highest paid player on the team. Kemp demanded a trade, and was sent to Cleveland in a deal that brought Vin Baker to Seattle. The crumbling relationship between Coach George Karl and general manager Wally Walker led the Sonics to not renew Karl’s contract after a 61 win season. After the strike-shortened 1998 season, ticket sales to Sonics games plummeted. This was the beginning of the slow decline of Seattle’s greatest sports franchise.

2000s (The Ending of a Dynasty)
Nate McMillan was brought in to coach the Sonics in the middle of the 2000-2001 season. The team was put up for sale and on January 11, 2001 owner of Starbucks Howard Schultz bought the team for $200 million. Because of the event that followed, Starbucks should be the most popular place in Oklahoma City.
Gary Payton and Howard Schultz did not get along. After failing to come to training camp before the 2002 season, Schultz began to publicly criticize Payton. At the 2003 trade deadline, Payton was flipped to Milwaukee in a deal that brought Ray Allen to the Sonics. It was an end of an era in Seattle.

The Sonics failed to make the playoffs the next two seasons. In 2004 Howard Schultz began publicly complaining about Key Arena not matching up to other teams arenas. Despite coming off an exciting playoff run in 2005, pleads for a new arena fell short at the state legislature. Now that the new NBA business model relied on revenue streams that Key Arena could not provide. The Sonics began losing money tied to their stadium lease. Howard Schultz asked state to provide $220 million to update Key Arena, but state declined. It was obvious Schultz was done with the NBA and was ready to pounce on the highest deal out there. After running the Sonics into the ground and losing $60 million dollars, Howard Schultz sold the team to a group of Oklahoma City businessmen led by Clay Bennett on July 18, 2006 for $350 million. The franchise was valued at $234 million at the time of the deal. At the press conference, Howard Schultz stated "At the end of the day we were not trying to seek out the ultimate purchase price but to do everything we could to ensure long term stability in the Pacific Northwest for the Sonics". From the beginning, it was obvious that Bennett’s plan was to move the team. With zero ties to Seattle and Oklahoma’s vacancy in the NBA, Bennett and his business partners were determined to bring the Sonics and its 41 years to Oklahoma City.

The Seattle Sonics Final Years
"It was a very well done manipulation. And they took advantage of a lot of circumstances here"- Brian Robinson
To make it look like he was trying to keep the team in Seattle, Bennett proposed a $500 million stadium to be built in Renton, Washington. Clay Bennett was never serious about this proposal, and his plan was still to move the Sonics to Oklahoma. Meanwhile, the Sonics finished with their worst record since the teams sixth year of existence, and they were rewarded with the second overall pick in the 2007 NBA draft. In the offseason, Ray Allen was traded to the Celtics in an obvious shedding-of-payroll and Rashard Lewis left in free agency

On January 28, 2007 the Seattle SuperSonics selected Kevin Durant out of the University of Texas with the second overall pick. The lanky 18 year old was thought to be the savior of tnhe franchise. Shortly after the draft, Bennett quietly cut all ties with Sonics past. Team president Lenny Wilkens resigned after disagreements with the ownership group, and Assistant Coaches Jack Sikma and Detlef Schrempf were let go after their contracts expired. These front office moves reassured what everyone expected. Bennett’s plan was to gut the team, shed payroll, and prepare the move to Oklahoma City. In a 2007 interview with the Oklahoma City Journal, part owner Aubrey McClendon let out the true intention of the Sonics. "We didn’t buy the team to keep it in Seattle. We hoped to come to Oklahoma City." Bennett proceeded to cut the stadium lease by two years stating that the Key Arena was not a feasible stadium for an NBA basketball team. The new way of the NBA was to bring in extra profit through the stadium not directly tied to the team, by selling overpriced food and drinks.
Seattle mayor Greg Nickels tried to overturn the stadium lease that was cut by two years. In the meantime, the Sonics fell out of the gate to a 3-15 start. The media had very limited access to the players, and the owners continued to trade expensive players. Bennett wanted fans to lose interest in the Sonics so he would have less resistance moving the team to Oklahoma.
"Sad to say, as heart breaking as it was, it’s a fascinating story. The politics, the money, the greed factor, the sense of betrayal, the uprising of the fans that just came out of nowhere that just felt they were having a loved one ripped from them. It is a fascinating story. It truly is."
E-mail exchanges that became public between Clay Bennett and the Sonics other owners proved that the plan all along was to move the team to Oklahoma City. Bennett denied the reports, and called the e-mails a misunderstanding. The man who stated his commitment to build a winning team in Seattle, was proven to be a liar. More E-mail exchanges came out, this time between Bennett and David Stern, which showed the two friendship and Stern empathizing to Bennett over his struggle to move the team.
Like dropping from heaven, a group of Seattle businessmen announced they are interested in buying the Sonics and raise $300 million towards revamping Key Arena. Bennett and Stern though, were still focused on Oklahoma City and building a world class facility there.

The Sonics finished 20-62 in 2008, its worst and final year in franchise history. There was an NBA board of governors held in New York City. They held a vote for the relocation of the Seattle SuperSonics to Oklahoma City. The vote was 28-2 in favor of the relocation. Bennett got his wish, and it was only a matter of time the Sonics were to move to Oklahoma.
The Sonics still had one last chance though, as they had a court date in June to try to overturn the two year stadium lease that was cut by Bennett. The plan was that if the team was given more time, they could get enough money to build a new state-of-the-art arena. Led by mayor Greg Nickels and former owner Howard Schultz, they used the e-mail exchanges to argue that the ownership failed to negotiate in good faith, prompting Schultz to file a lawsuit looking to withdraw the sale of the team and transfer the current ownership to a court-appointed new owner. Lawyer Brad Keller was able to get Greg Nickels to admit that under the current stadium the team had become economically dysfunctional. The NBA claimed Schultz's lawsuit was invalid because Schultz signed a form forbidding himself to sue Bennett's group prior to selling the team, but also argued that the proposal would have violated league ownership rules. The case for both sides were even, and early reports indicated that the Sonics staying in Seattle had the early lead. When the case was still being disputed, there was a report that mayor Greg Nickels was persuaded to drop the case, as Clayton Bennett offered $75 million to the city of Seattle in exchange for the case being dropped. The Seattle City Council agreed to take the money, and the Sonics were gone.

The Sonics and its 41 year history had given up and Clay Bennett and his wealthy business partners got their way. The Seattle SuperSonics, my childhood, and millions of others, were gone.
"The thing is if we get a team.... its going to be somebody else's team. Its not going to be a new franchise. I keep up, so I know who's in trouble. We could get New Orleans, Milwaukee, Indiana, Memphis, Sacramento. To get a team I'm going to have to break the hearts of people just like me. Who will then have to go in front of cameras and talk about their pain like this. And that's the only way we're going to get a team"- Sherman Alexie
My point of this post was not to make you feel bad. I am happy Oklahoma has a basketball team. I am not happy that Oklahoma has my team. Our team. I am not happy the way it was done. I am not happy the NBA and its media is trying to bury Seattle's greatest sports team and its history under the success of the Thunder. And I am not happy Clay Bennett owns our Sonic championship banners, retired jerseys, and our 1979 championship trophy. For a long time, the Sonics were not just a team. The Sonics were the pride of Seattle. The Seattle SuperSonics were the home of the greatest memories of many childhoods.
This post does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of Welcome to Loud City or SB Nation. However, it was made by one of the members of the Welcome to Loud City community, so there is a large chance the above post is extremely ballin'!
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And if you want to learn more about this, please watch the movie Sonicsgate
The best documentary you will see this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Dp20ydm1E
No respect for Sonicsgate documentary
I thought it was well done at the time, but not the creators of the documentary seem like a bunch of chumps. They lost all my respect when the showed up to the OKC-Denver playoff game last year wearing Sonics jerseys and cowbells to sit on the front row and taunt Kevin Durant. In fact, they wrote a blog laughing about how they taunted KD, KD retorted, “Watch this,” and then proceeded to miss his next shot. (FYI, OKC still won the game.) What is so frustrating is that they say they did it to support Sacramento, but it was a publicity stunt to get them on TV. Furthermore, every chance they get these guys play the “woe is me” card, and attempt to support Seattle by bashing Oklahoma City and Oklahomans. I know it sucks. I know it’s sad. Things written and done mournfully and respectfully are understandable (such as this piece), but the lunacy of the Sonicsgates nuts is just a sad mess.
Of course it was a publicity stunt.
That doesn’t mean it’s bad. What better way to raise awareness about the Sonics then to sit in front of a TV camera during one of their games? It was actually pretty smart, I’d say. Its not like their goal was to get rich from it.
The Sonicsgate people act like whiny little kids.
They’re not relevant. They’re not accomplishing anything. They show up in Denver but curiously don’t have the balls to take their little freakshow down to Bricktown.
Punk in drublic.
Wow
I didn’t know the sonicsgate guys did that to KD. If it’s true, that’s pretty classless. I wasn’t aware that KD was the driving force behind the move. Pretty sad. (again, if it’s true)
YouTube
Well, I just found a video on sonicsgate’s YouTube channel showing the sonicsgate guys leading a small group of fans, banging cowbells when the thunder are shooting free throws, booing the players, etc.
So, let’s be very clear about something. This whole “we are the world, we only hate the men responsible for taking our team, we don’t hate the players, fans,etc” is a bunch of bs. The sonicsgate guys hate durant, hate Oklahoma, hate the thunder. Let’s just be honest about it.
(btw my iPad keeps auto correcting durant into “Durante” haha)
I saw that video too.
I didn’t see any taunting though. Sure, they were booing, but its not like a lot of other fans do that. They were wearing Durant Sonic jerseys, but that doesn’t really show a hatred toward Kevin Durant. They have a right to hate the Thunder
The Denver Stiff guys wrote about it after Game 3 on his blog
"Denver Stiffs reader "Mordecai", who sits directly behind the visitors bench, got to sit next to Sonicsgate Director/Producer Jason Reid throughout the game (you probably saw them on TV, Reid was holding the Seattle Supersonics banner behind the Thunder bench all night) and they barked at the Thunder all night. Eventually, Durant responded by barking "watch this!" implying that he’d make some big shots or something. Instead, Mordecai and Reid’s heckling led to Durant getting a technical foul.
Here is the actual blog post
I thought that I read the Sonicsgate folks gloating about this as well, but maybe I made it up. If so, I don’t mind recanting
Your Comment is Insane
Do you really think they were taunting Kevin Durant? Do you actually think these guys are that dumb to travel that far just to taunt KD? You’re high. Just because they have a picture of KD and the Sonicsgate people in the background holding up a Sonics flag doesn’t mean they’re taunting KD!?!?!?!?
What part of barking at the Thunder all night do you not understand?
They could have traveled that far to make a point without taunting the Thunder the whole time Furthermore, all they ended up doing was becoming laughing stocks on ESPN anyways. There are better ways to stand up for a cause.
Showing up to the games where they're presence will be noted by Bennett and fans
is a good way for them to keep their cause alive and visible. I agree that heckling players isn’t right on their part. But they should be there rooting against Bennett’s team and being seen and letting everyone know that they were wronged. .
OKC has a great team with great players who are great people (Perkins aside), and great fans. But what happened to the Sonics and their fans at the hands of Bennett and Stern primarily, but also others (which the movie, I thought, did a good job of pointing out) is absolutely wrong and something sports fans should remember.
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by almost awesome on Feb 7, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
I had...
some hesitation when I first saw the title. We have had our share of angry and ridiculous Sonic fans on the website in the past, spouting nothing but vitriol and rage against all things OKC.
You have a genuine love for the franchise and I am sorry that your team only exist in memory. I hope one day you get another NBA team and I hope it can be the Sonics.
Loud City via Far East
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Thanks, I appreciate it. I saw the number of other Sonics fans posts on here, so I was hesitant in posting this.
Don’t get the wrong idea. Most Sonics fans are not like that.
Thank you for converting our film to blog form
Thanks to the OP for taking our award-winning documentary SONICSGATE: REQUIEM FOR A TEAM and converting it to blog format. It’s helpful to those who won’t watch a 2-hour documentary online.
We made the film to preserve the truth and Seattle SuperSonics history. It’s not a slight on the fans of OKC (except your team owners Clay Bennett and Aubrey McLendon). But you should know the scandalous truth of how that team you cheer for was ripped away from Seattle. It wasn’t due to lack of fans or any of the other lies and justifications you’re told by Clay and his cohorts.
Enjoy the film! http://sonicsgate.org/movie
I hope most of my fellow Supes fans agree
I am not angry and OKC it self or it’s fans, I don’t think your all red necks or hicks or w.e. some of us uncontrolled Sonics fans call OKC people. We feel betrayed and powerless with nothing but a empty hole during the winter now. Oklahoma City was gonna get a team no matter what, they proved it by hosting the Hornets, and to be honest that was the team you guys should have, not ours.
Unfortunate decisions by key people with questionable moral values lead to this. Instead of trying to teach the people of OKC about our history I would ask that the fan base down there deman you give up a history I hear most of you don’t care for or want anyways. Sever all ties with anything Seattle and Supersonics and leave it here. You hae a great team that will make many more memories you can cherish.
So i ask again, Demand bennet vacate our history to the City of Seattle and begin yours with the 2008-2009 season.
Good post
Good post. I also agree with iceberge12. I know none of my friends who are thunder fans want to claim any supersonic history. Why would we? We will create our own history. Personally, I cringe whenever I hear something like “the last time the thunder opened 5-0 was when they were the supersonics back in 19 whatever…”
I guess it would be to simple to give back the supersonic history, banners, etc when they get another franchise. Maybe it will happen. Who knows.
This is very good, and I, too, suggest everyone watch Sonicsgate.
As a tip to OKC fans: Don’t try to appropriate the Sonics’ history. Don’t act like dicks if Seattle ever gets another team. As a Houston Texans fans, this is probably the most infuriating thing about Tennessee Titans fans, and it changes being “rivals” in a sports sense into something very personal and ugly. If you want to, you can go over to Battle Red Blog and see the sort of stuff posted about the Titans and their fans right now. It’s very ugly stuff, and the thing is that I totally agree with it. I’m not sorry for it or embarrassed by it. Maybe I should be, but that’s exactly what it will be like if Seattle ever gets a team again. There won’t be any punches pulled, and I won’t blame Seattle fans a bit for it.
The parallels to the Oilers’ move to Nashville aren’t many (Bud Adams was the Oilers’ original owner, and by the time he began demanding a new stadium, the city was pretty fed up with his bullshit; compare that to the ownership changes with the Sonics, as well as the very strong movement to keep them in Seattle), but there are a few. Namely, we saw a team move from a relatively large market, a cosmopolitan city that has had a team forever, to a city that is (I’m going to be frank here) comparatively a backwater. And then that team had almost immediate success. As a kid, that was a blow to my pride when I saw it happen to the Oilers, and I imagine the same thing is felt by Seattle fans.
I have talked to some OKC fans in real life, and I’ll say there’s a good mix between those who are somewhat sheepish about the way the team was blatantly stolen from Seattle and those who are utterly brazen and stupid — those who know next to nothing about how the whole thing went down, and who couldn’t care less. They’ll push the blame to Seattle: “They didn’t support the team” either by building a new arena or attending games or something.
One of the great points Sonicsgate makes is that the ownership’s claims about Key Arena were largely true — it wasn’t up to the standards of new arenas — and that, in the end, the city accepted a very bad bargain out of either cowardice or utter stupidity. But, oddly enough, I don’t think it hammered enough on how messed up the NBA’s arguments in the court battle were, and it only briefly touches upon the way the NBA has forced mid-market cities (like Seattle and OKC) to compete with one another for a luxury undermined by the NBA’s own arguments.
The whole situation with the Seattle Supersonics was absolutely ridiculous, and I wonder how anyone can trust the NBA after all that. The NBA admitted in court — shit, it was one of their main arguments! — that there was no economic benefit derived from keeping a team in Seattle. This was after decades of telling cities the exact opposite, so they could get new pleasure-palace arenas built. The NBA allowed a group of men to bargain in bad faith, and all but two of the owners were cool with it because being able to move a team is huge leverage when bargaining for a new lease or a new arena.
I’ve said I won’t (and don’t) blame Seattle fans for saying ugly things about OKC and its fans, and here’s why: I don’t totally buy the line everyone is repeating here that OKC fans aren’t to blame for this. They absolutely are. They aren’t as culpable as Bennett and his crew, but the city bought into the logic of “attracting” an NBA team as soon as they built a state-of-the-art arena. At some point, citizens need to understand that these bidding wars are dumb. We’re spending hundreds of millions of dollars on luxuries for billionaires that they can have guaranteed profits every year. One of the subjects interviewed in Sonicsgate (I think it was Alexie) makes the argument that we subsidize lots of businesses, but usually those businesses have more public benefit than a sports arena, and we don’t expect to subsidize an industry enough that its constituent businesses simply can’t fail unless run like the Sacramento Kings. And if we are subsidizing businesses like that, maybe we need to check the whole system.
I’m sure Thunder fans are proud of their team. Municipal pride and prestige is the primary reason anyone spends all this money on helping out Dan Gilbert or Robert Sarver make more money. But they were (and are) tools of a system whose only purpose is to enrich the already ludicrously wealthy, and it comes at the expense of other cities’ and regions’ pride and prestige.
So, anyways, if Seattle ever gets another team (and I don’t think it’s particularly likely any time soon, given that the city and state refuse to put any more money into arenas, and I don’t blame them there), be gracious. I don’t know if there’s anything fans can do to make it “right” other than stop cheering for the team, and as much as that won’t happen, understand that yeah, you are kind of the bad guys. But do whatever you can to smooth things over in the future.
You see?
Backwater. That passes for nice in Sonic land. You people are amazing. “No, I don’t hate the OKC fans or people in general. They just live in a backward state with no running water, and wild Indians running around shooting arrows and taking scalps. It’s not THEIR fault that they’re so stupid.”
Take your patronizing a$$ down the road dude. We agree. Keep the history in Seattle. Period. End of story. Now, stay off our blogs with that crap.
Seattle is twice the size of OKC and is a major cultural and artistic hub.
OKC is a “comparative backwater.”
Also, just to make things clear, I’m not from “Sonics land,” nor was I ever a fan. There were several clues in that post to help you figure that out.
That doesn't mean OKC is a terrible town or anything
it just is what it is. It’s smaller and not nearly as important. Sacramento isn’t as important of a city as Los Angeles, Charlotte isn’t as important as Washington DC. Those cities’ fans probably don’t have a chip on their shoulders about that, btw.
San Francisco
has twice the population that Seattle does. Does that make Seattle a comparative backwater? The negative connotations that are attached to a loaded word like “backwater” is what’s offensive.
A metro population of 1.3 million people does not constitute a backwater, comparatively or not. “A place or situation regarded as isolated, stagnant, or backward; an isolated, backward, or intellectually stagnant place or condition.” That’s what you just called OKC. So, yes, I have a chip on my shoulder about being regarded as “less than” by ignorant, bitter people who have probably never visited my city.
Comparitively, yes.
But less than Seattle compared to OKC. Seattle has a lot more going for it. Sorry. Deal.
Know when you make a mistake
Obviously you have a problem admitting when you’re wrong. See das06h’s post below. Is Seattle bigger? Yes. Inigo Montoya would say “That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Oh, and btw, OKC has an NBA team. Seattle doesn’t. Sorry. Deal.
by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And there you go taking a shot at Seattle.
I get that you would be annoyed by someone calling your town backwater, but did you really have to take a shot at Seattle’s lack of a basketball team, that your team’s owner stole from us?
Again just to point out the Only_A_Lad is not from Seattle or a Sonics fan, taking a shot at Seattle means nothing to him.
I wouldn’t say you guys are backwater but to move a team out of the 13th largest media market to OKC doesn’t seem right.
They do?
Not any teams that have been relavent
by das06h on Jan 4, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Go Texas Rangers
Back to Back AL Champions and a team that has actually been to the WS unlike Seattle
by das06h on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Subsidizing arenas/sports teams
is something done because of the overall economic benefit it can bring to the local economy (though not every team does this. I believe Boston’s owners paid for Fenway. Not the city.) Of course, Oklahomans are lying if they tell you that by paying for a new arena they weren’t hoping to convince the commish to give them a NBA team, and furthermore, that they weren’t secretly hoping it would be the Sonics once Bennett took over, seeing how he’s from Oklahoma. So if you want to make Oklahomans culpable, say 15% in the blame-game, then you probably have a point. Nevertheless, franchise moves are always messy, and if we followed your argument to it’s logical conclusion, every fan base that received a team in a shady manner should repent and renounce their team. It’s not going to happen.
Except
that every economist laughs at the idea that this stuff brings in any new money. The NBA admitted as much in the Seattle court case (which makes them either liars then or liars at every other time they’ve sought new stadiums over the last 20 years).
And, yes, that’s my argument. And you aren’t going to renounce the team or anything, so my point is that you’re going to have to accept being the bad guys. It’s really that simple.
Now we get the truth
We’re the bad guys. Glad you admitted the truth. We suck, you’re great. We’re stupid rednecks and you’re enlightened truth seekers. I wonder why Oklahomans are so put off by attempts to kindly blame us for all your woes?
Should I accept my role as a villain
Sorry. Couldn’t resist.
With regards to economic impact...
you’re spot on. One report I saw was that OKC lost $1.3 million per game during the lockout.
I will never blame the OKC fans for the loss of the Sonics.
Can you really blame them for wanting an NBA team?
I think we've reached a point
where citizens of these cities just have to say no. This shit has gotten out of hand. Houston (more accurately, I guess, Harris County) spent well over $500 million on Minute Maid Park, the Toyota Center, and Reliant Stadium at the start of the 2000s. And Houston is one of the largest metro areas in the country. The county can finance a lot of big expenditures fairly easily. What about this makes sense for Sacramento or Charlotte or NOLA?
Why are local governments being extorted to pay for this stuff? Why can’t sports teams invest in their infrastructure, if this is the difference between profit and loss (supposedly)? It was one thing when Houston built the Astrodome in the ‘60s — it was relatively inexpensive and served a lot of purposes, but now my city has put hundreds of millions of dollars into corporate subsidy only to reach the goal of enhancing the city’s prestige.
I understand wanting an NBA team. But small markets need to ask themselves if participating in this arena arms race is really worth it. And as much as this is a zero-sum game (OKC “winning” = Seattle “losing”), I don’t think it really is.
Also
you should note that even if you’re actions or desires are explainable or justifiable, that doesn’t mean you aren’t responsible for them.
My point is this: the citizens of OKC wanted the team. They are partly responsible for the move. Bennett and his cronies are obviously the primary ones responsible, followed by Stern and the league office, but the peeps in OKC are in there somewhere.
Just to correct you
Schultz is the primary cause for the team to move. He didn’t care about our city or our history. He sold the team to the highest bidder. The team was sold to Schultz with the understanding that he was a local owner who would keep the team in Seattle. He failed to keep his end of the bargain.
by LeftArrow2 on Jan 2, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Only_A_Lad--why is this such a big deal to you if you're not from Seattle?
As a lifelong Sonics fan, I think it’s ignorant to pass any blame on the OKC fans. Just watch Sonicsgate—it was the businessmen and government leaders in Seattle to blame. At the end of the day, it’s a BUSINESS. They are going to do what they want. The fan’s voice doesn’t matter at the end of the day. Just look to the recent lockout as an example.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Just a thought.
Are you saying that, to make things better, we should stop cheering for our team?
…Ever think that might be why Seattle lost theirs?
by hmh on Jan 7, 2012 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
No, because that is not why Seattle lost theirs.
That is pretty much the entire point of this post
Ted was right
OK. I’ve had enough of your whining, Seattle. Here’s the real truth.
Seattle had a wonderful thing. The Sonics were like beautiful girlfriend that you could show off and be proud of. Everytime someone saw you with her, they thought, dang, your lucky to have her.
But then, as time went on, this beautiful jewel continued to require attention, affection, and yes your support. Thing is her feet were gettting cold and she knew there are better options for her. In other words, you were no longer able to satisfy her.
You kept driving her around town in your Plymouth Duster and thinkin you had it good. Well you did, you just couldn’t do what it takes to keep her from noticing there are some other guys around. Not my fault – yours.
Along come OKC, new arena, big money, proven success, and a bigger Dick than yours. You tried to keep her. Crying didn’t help. Begging didn’t help. Whining is getting you nowhere. You can’t satisfy your bitch – then you don’t deserve her! How’s all your artsy fartsy shit taste now? Grunge is dead and so are your NBA hopes. Deal with that! Bitch!
Rest assured that your girl is just as beautiful as ever, actually now adays even looking better. She sleeps well in my bed every night and is satisfied like you could never dream of satisfying her. And she’s louder than ever now that I’m with her – probably cause I’m hittin the deep spots your little peckers couldn’t reach.
So quit blaming OKC because you couldn’t satisfy her. She’s moved on and you should too. Yea you got broken down like a shotgun by a “Redneck / Hick businessman from the midwest”. Better watch out, someone may be sneaking up on your other teams too, even though they suck.
The Sonics fans should move on. It’s over. There is no such thing. Just like Ted Nugent said when Curt Cobain took the cowards way out – " That’s just one less whiney mother fucker"
Enjoy your weather.
by Phillip Olliver on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
What is the point of giving up?
Giving up says “Sure David Stern, you can steal 41 years of history. Sure, Clay Bennet, you can crush childhoods”. I’m not going to give up until there is a team back here in Seattle.
With all due respect...
I agree with a couple of the posts above. Seattle can keep their history. This has been argued to death. Teams move. Get over it. It’s just sports. Your lives didn’t come to an end. If Seattle is such a great NBA city, then you’ll get another team. Maybe one of the four in California.
As far as I, and many other Thunder fans are concerned, the Thunder’s history started when they came to OKC. This is the Thunder’s FIRST 5-0 start. They’ve been to the playoffs TWICE. I too hate to hear “this is the first time since 19xx that the Thunder….” Bull. The Sonics (the name) and the Sonics history should stay in Seattle. We in Oklahoma don’t need to attach ourselves to a history that doesn’t belong to us. We will forge our own path, and make our own history, good or bad.
I’m past trying to make nice with Sonics fans. I’ve been called everything but a white man by ignorant Northwesterners, and I’m sick of it. This post is nothing more than a semi-nice way of saying “Remember, you stole our team.”
by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
+1
The Sonics history, records, all that… they belong to Seattle. When/if they get another franchise, it will hopefully be called the Supersonics and they can continue the traditions.
For me, the Thunder is distinct from the Sonics.
Most Seattle posters
I’m from Seattle a big city and cultural mecca while you are from Oklahoma the toiletbowl of America. Geeze. And people from Seattle wonder why we don’t respect them and want them off our blogs. This type of “black” vs “white,” “us” vs “them” propaganda is a rhetorical demonstration of idiocy. Is Oklahoma City the size of Seattle? Is OKC as beautiful in regard to scenery, or have as many museums, arts, etc. No. That doesn’t mean OKC is a pile of garbage and Oklahomans are a bunch of Neanderthals. I’ve travelled over half the world and most the USA, published works in well-respected journals, have a great knowledge of other cultures, history, art, etc., and guess what, I’m an Oklahoman. When will this diatribe die? And this is not coming from someone with zero sympathy to Seattle. I know what Clay Bennett did to you guys sucks, but you also cannot admit to yourselves that you didn’t know it was coming. If I’m lying to you, and you know I’m lying to you, and I know that you know I’m lying to you. It’s not lying. It’s politics. Bennett’s politics were very shrewd and borderline immoral (as most politics are), but in the end, that’s not going to stop me cheering for the Thunder just as Dodger fans are not going to give up their team simply because the move from Brooklyn was a little shady.
by das06h on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Also, I don't hate people from Seattle
My cousin is from there, and my good friend from undergrad moved there to be with her. I don’t hate my family, so ergo, I don’t hate all people from Seattle. I am just tired of those who spew the vitriolic rhetoric, I pointed to above. Hope to visit them someday. Maybe I should fly in wearing my Thunder shit. Kidding. I would never do that. I don’t have a death wish.
My word on the whole thing....
What I think Thunder fans have to understand is that this isn’t something we can sweep under the rug. It’s an issue that will only be resolved with Seattle getting back its’ own team, and the NBA’s halt of forcing cities to construct new arenas. It’s like the NBA Lockout which we’ve all so conveniently forgotten about. Everyone involved with it has basically swept it under the rug, but it’s going to rear its’ ugly head in a few years, in the form of teams losing their all-stars and players complaining about pay. Similarly, the Sonics history will constantly be coming back to bite us in the forms of disgruntled old Sonics fans, the way in which this team was built, and, yes, when Oklahoma City needs to build a new arena.
Right now, the Chesapeake Energy Arena is brand new, and will complete renovations in 2013. By then, we’re looking at a 11 year old arena. I’m not saying the Ford Center isn’t adequate, because that’s exactly what it is. Adequate. Not state of the art. When talking to reporters about why the Ford Center was so much better than Key Arena, he said it was because the arena had a bigger “footprint” by almost two times, allowing for more potential expansion. Guess what? We’ve expanded it. And I’ll be damned if we don’t start talking about how we’re going to fund a new arena before 2020.
I know that 2020 seems like the dark side of the moon (I’m only 20 years old myself), but it’s going to come around sooner or later, and the NBA will use the opportunity to bleed us dry.
Are Oklahoma City fans guilty, then? Well, yes and no. You can’t expect the average voter to know what’s going on in the Civic government in a city hundreds of miles away. Much less the issues going on behind the scenes, or the larger ramifications it might have for the future. But at the same time, they basically looked at what was right in front of their noses, and failed to see what was beyond that.
I’m not telling Oklahomans to stop supporting the Thunder. Far from it. The Thunder are more than business negotiations with David Stern. Rather, they have become more than that. The team unites our city and state, once divided into red and orange. They give people of all ages a reason to go out on the town. They create priceless lifetime experiences. They give perfect strangers something to talk about. The team does various goodwill community projects, and they visit schools, touching kids lives forever. To me, all of those things easily trump what went on in some backdoor business room, or how the city will have to deal with their tax money a few years down the road.
Unfortunately, the thing is, we stole all of that from the city of Seattle. Again, it’s nothing to lament about, but its’ always something to keep in the back of your mind, especially if Seattle every gets the opportunity for a new team.
What I’m not interested in, however, is this stupid blame game that constantly goes on during any internet confrontation between posters from Oklahoma City and Seattle. Oklahomans calling Seattlites stuck-up, coffee drinking, neck bearded hooligans. Seattilites calling Oklahomans backwards, Bud light drinking, cut-off jeans wearing poopyfaces. Who cares? You’re free to say what you want on WTLC, as I promote free discussion. But, honestly, insulting each other isn’t going to solve anything.
The post itself is fantastic, and a nicely readable history of a significant NBA franchise. If you want to be a knowledgeable NBA fan, you should know its’ history. Not just of the Sonics, but of the other teams too.
Tony.psd = Da Man
Manager of Welcome to Loud City
#1 Warriors, Thunder, and Adonal Foyle Fan
by Zorgon on Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'll agree as well
However, the title of this post puts me on the defensive right off the bat. “…know it’s history.” To me this is a snarky way of saying “you stole my team and my history and my childhood memories.” Couldn’t the title have been something like, “A Sonics History Lesson,” or the like?
Please, for the love of God and all things holy, can we all petition, pray, beg, whatever it takes to leave the Sonics history behind in Seattle? I think that would alleviate much tension. It wouldn’t bother me a bit, and it’s what I would want if the positions were reversed.
I agree
Give them their stuff back. i also wish that we could keep Sonics stuff off a Thunder blog. I know that they’re the same franchise, but you don’t see Lakers blogs talking about their time in Minnesota, and for the most part, LA Dodgers blogs are not talking about Jackie Robinson and the Bums. We come to these blogs to get headlines, talk about the games, etc. Not engage in Seattle vs OKC diatribes.
Great comment
We always sincerely appreciate when OKC fans watch SONICSGATE and understand that our anger is not directed towards them as people, but at all the power-brokers such as David Stern, Howard Schultz, Clay Bennett and Washington elected officials
There are millions of loyal fans SuperSonics fans in the world, and this issue affects all pro sports fans. We are getting the word out in any way we can with our “No Team Is Safe” campaign. As you stated, it is likely that OKC will deal with the exact same type of stadium subsidy extortion in the not so distant future.
Please spread the word for Clay to publicly give us the history back at least. When Seattle gets a new team, it will be a big rivalry on the court, but until then, the scandalous circumstances surrounding OKC’s acquisition of a franchise will continue to haunt it. It’s nothing personal, but it is the truth. Someday Seattle will have a team back and it will be all about basketball again.
Thanks for this post, but for a different reason
As a high school senior, I’m in the process of applying to colleges right now. I was searching for inspiration for an essay for Cornell University, and as I was procrastinating came upon this piece. The quote by Sherman Alexie was just what I was looking for- in case you were wondering, it’s about business and how I grew up loving it by opening a lemonade stand, not by admiring moguls on TV.
Thanks.
I'm not really sure what you guys expected when the Sonics moved to OKC.
I wrote a long comment on who is to blame but it seemed pointless to me now and I erased it. The fact is the Sonics was a team that wasn’t ignored or neglected by its fans. Many felt powerless about the move and there is going to be some irrational hatred. Sure, some people from Seattle said some dumb things in the past but I think most of it comes from frustration.
I assure you most people in Seattle don’t even think about the fans of OKC when it comes to the Sonics. I don’t think I ever heard anyone blame the fans for the move, in real life or on the sports radio. In fact there’s even a small debate if the city even wants a team in the future if it has to be ripped out of another city. If we do get a team and it’s stolen from another city, I’d expect to see a lot of hatred from what ever city we get our team from.
I just want our history back, and I’m sure most of you don’t want out history. Once we get a team I’m hopeful we get it back.
by LeftArrow2 on Jan 2, 2012 5:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
WTF!
A Sonics history post with no mention of the X-man?
I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.
Best comment so far, LOL
Tony.psd = Da Man
Manager of Welcome to Loud City
#1 Warriors, Thunder, and Adonal Foyle Fan
I think that it is pretty obvious that there were a few idiots on both sides who made stupid and antagonistic comments. There also seems to be a group that exists equally on both sides who is insistent that random blog posts of those few idiots is somehow representative of the way the cities treated each other. For the most parts I’ve found Oklahoma City fans and residents to be pretty classy in this whole thing and I think Seattle people have done a good job not getting personally hateful despite something that was really, really hard and tore at a lot of heartstrings.
It is the internet. There are always going to be stupid comments. Its also sports where ber fueled taunting and extremists are just an accepted part of the landscape. I don’t think they “they are a bunch of rednecks” argument has every been nearly as prevalent as I actually expected it to given just the relative geography of the two cities and the ease that a few people could have driven that.
This was an ugly situation. Extremely ugly. It could have been much worse.
Big thanks to the OKC fans who argue in favor of giving us our history back. I have never gotten the sense that anyone wants it. NBA rules and precedent say that the history goes with the franchise but I think we’ve all seen that the rich guys can re-write the rules if they want to. That step would go a long ways towards putting it right when we get a new team.
As a lifelong Sonics fan, I wanted to share my thoughts on the matter, and where I stand today.
When the team actually moved, I was extremely angry. I had the jerseys, the hats, the memorabilia to prove my allegiance to the team. I felt like my identity had been stolen.
Now, after living in Portland for the past 5 years, I’ve seen people rooting for the Blazers, the Oregon Ducks, and the Oregon State Beavers. That is their identity. It’s a literal culture. I felt like when the Sonics left, I didn’t have anyone to relate to anymore.
At this point in time, my blame still rests squarely on the shoulders of ALL the leaders (Clay, Schultz, Seattle’s gov.,) but don’t hold a grudge anymore. As connected to the NBA as I am, it’s still ultimately a business where the fans aren’t the most important aspect of the sport. The recent lockout is the perfect example. If the fans truly had a voice, ticket prices would be more affordable, players would take less in salary to create better teams, and NBA basketball would be the biggest sport in the world.
So, as expressed in a few posts above, I don’t understand why the blame would fall on OKC fans to any degree, or the Seattle fans (for “not showing enough support to keep the team..”).
From a personal standpoint, it still hurts. Always will. I still love NBA basketball, and have slowly found myself rooting for the Blazers. I still like all of the “former” Sonics (Durant, Collison) that are still with the Thunder. It wasn’t their fault or choice to move the team. I would simply ask both sides to be respectful, and to be careful on where you place the blame.
I’m not sure that if Seattle ever gets a team again that I would jump on the bandwagon, simply because it wouldn’t feel the same. It would feel, well, just different—like it still wasn’t one of the teams I grew up adoring.
As screwed up as the NBA is (business wise), it’s still the place to enjoy the best basketball anywhere on the planet.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST reply actions
Hawks fan here
Followed Seattle back in the 80s and 90s until I moved to Atlanta. Seattle/Okc has been my team in the West and the Hawks in the East. After the Hawks game last night….it’s really tough to be a Hawks fan. I tell people all the time, " the hardest job in the world…..is being a Hawks fan." After last night, I will be praying that Okc takes the title this year.
Until the Hawks break up that core and find some leadership throughout that organization, it’ll be tough for me to follow them. Last night was the worst 3OT game in the history of 3OT games, and we lost to Miami’s scrubs.
I wish the best for OKC, will be praying and cheering for you guys from Atlanta!
"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM CST reply actions
Kings fan
I used to love the Sonics with Shawn Kemp. That dude was Blake Griffin X 100. I can feel for Seatle fans since I came very close to losing my team. After watching Sonic Gate I realized the main difference was that Seattle had shitty politicians and Sacramento had Kevin Johnson. I miss those Sonics, NBA should have kept them in Washington
such a sore topic
That was a nice article.
That said, the indentity of the team is really not Seattle related for all practical purposes. So I think that if Seattle wants a museum to hold all of the trophies, they should get it.
Every single day you can click on any Yahoo story about the Thunder and it is invaded by extremely rude comments from old Sonics fans about Oklahoma. That is not cool.
Sorry. I have been reading the most hateful things imaginable about Oklahoma and that makes it hard to keep my sympathy with them. I am quite hopeful that this isn’t the voice of all Sonics fans, but it is pretty bad.
And yeah, I remember the SonicsGate crowd.
Hey. Go buy the Hornets. The Hornets were dying to stay in OKC, but no way would that have happened after Katrina. OKC has a popular sales tax that paid for the arena and upgrades. I am sure that the city would pay players salaries as well. We love them that much.
I have no sympathy.
Last time I checked, once you BUY something you are free to do with it as you wish. I mean when did LOGIC check out of this whole conversation. I mean it couldn’t have been a surprise. If a person from another state (not even a close one) buys something like a sports team, is it really logical to think he is going to keep it in that city or even state? Think about it. Put yourself in Mr. Bennet’s shoes. If YOU were able to purchase a sports team would you keep it where it was when you bought it or would you take it home and make it your own? I mean it’s pretty clear the team was unwanted in Seattle. I mean if you don’t go to the games or pay the taxes to build an arena worth playing in, wouldn’t it be logical that you don’t want the team? Try it at home with your kids. Ignore one of your kids. Don’t buy them new clothes. Don’t talk to them. After a short while I’m positive those kids are going to want new parents. See the logic I was talking about missing from all the people who claim we “stole” the team. Pretty sure we bought and paid for it. As backwoods as we may be, here in Oklahoma we know how to treat things you value. We pay attention to them. We support them. You didn’t in Seattle. So how you can blame anyone in Oklahoma for you failings as a community is beyond me. We didn’t sell the team to ourselves. We didn’t elect the officials in Seattle. We just didn’t. This is all just part of the real problem in the world, not being able to take responsibility for the things you do or in this case, DON’T do. I mean why don’t you try supporting the shitty MLB and NFL teams you have now before they get sold legally like the Sonics did. I mean, sorry we were willing to show your “girl” the attention and support you weren’t able to provide. She chose us. Get over it creep. But you can have your banners and record books. We are obviously going to surpass all those accolades in a very short time so we don’t need them taking up the space. I said all that to basically say, grow up and move on. You lost your team and the blame is squarely on your shoulders. Not any of us.
One other thing, this post is clearly nothing more than an attempt to dampen our pride towards an excellent team that WE built. In one hand you say we should know the history of our team and then in another say how that history belongs to Seattle. So to me this whole post was asinine and immature. I do however agree with the popular thought in Oklahoma to give you your “history” back. We don’t want or need it. Our history is only a few years old but already promises much more. So take it. I’m sure that won’t end the crying and whining though. You’ll just find something else to cry about.
Oh yeah, heard L.A. wants to bring the NFL back to town. I know just the team to move. One noone cares about. Hmmm can you guess which one?
by NSU Stud on Jan 13, 2012 8:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well now....
u sure are one long winded wannabe pornstar “NSU Stud”….
by IRISHJAYHAWK1025 on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
This is wrong on so many levels
I’ll keep this short but the blame lies with Schultz, Clay, Sterns, and the local government in Seattle, not the fans. I’m pretty sure the Seahawks are in the top 5 of the highest attendance records in the NFL over the last 10 years and some of the best fans. I don’t even know where you get the idea that no one supports the Seahawks. I guess it was just easier to try to ridicule the fans in Seattle than to come up with a reasoned argument.
I find it interesting that you say this post is “asinine and immature” and you respond to that with the most immature comment in the thread. BTW we do pay a tax for stadiums, our governmental leaders suck.
Your almost right
Ever heard you get what you give? If your going to come here and be an ass, I’m going to be one right back. Welcome to sports.
And I said that what I said about the Seahawks in a national sense. Noone outside of Seattle gives a damn about the Seahawks. Actually Seattle has been in the middle of the pack in attendance. They have been ranked16-17-21-18-17 in attendance over the last 5 years. So it looks like I’m not the only that doesn’t like to back up my claims with research.
As far as blaming the fans, that was your (Seattle fans) thing. I simple argue that if it meant so much, then there were certainly measures you as fans could have taken to help persuade the team to stay. Yes the actual sale and move was out of the fans control, but maybe, just maybe, if you had shown up and showed some support BEFORE the team went up for sale, BEFORE the team was sold, BEFORE the team was moved and anytime since 1995, then MAYBE you would still have an NBA franchise.
But as it’s been noted you still have other professional sports teams to support before they too are shipped off to the highest bidder. Focus on that right now. Someday those Toronto Raptors are going to be the Somewhere Else Raptors, and if it ends up that you get them in Seattle then I hope with all sincerity that you get the same treatment and respect from Raptor fans that you have shown us Thunder fans.
For the record and...well...just because
If you want to look at attendance to judge fans, the Thunder have been ranked 12-13-12-11since coming OKC. That includes this year so far. How did they rank the final 5 years in Seattle? Well….not so well. Starting in 2004 and ending in 2008 they ranked 23-25-23-21-23. I think I’ve made my point but I’d say that’s a pretty good difference for us backwater hillbillies over the cultural superiority of Seattle. Just saying.
Oops I was even nice
They actually only ranked 28th in 2008, their final season. You really showed “the city officials” how much you cared huh
HAHA I messed that all up.
From 2004 to 2008 the SuperSonics ranked 23-21-23-25-28 in attendance. From 2009 to 2012 the Thunder have ranked 12-13-12-11 in attendance. Sorry about that. Didn’t mean to confuse the Seattle fans anymore about their late, not so great SuperSonics. With this I am done with this topic forever. At the end of the day there IS an Oklahoma City Thunder and there IS NOT a Seattle SuperSonics. That’s the beginning and the end of it at this point. Sorry Seattle, you lost over 3 years ago. Get over it already.
So I must have looked at the wrong list.
My bad I was wrong. I said pretty sure because I wasn’t 100% positive. While it is true that the Seahawks have been in the middle of the pack tickets sold wise, (Which is a shock to me) they have sold 99% of tickets available since 2004. I assumed that since almost every Seahawk game is sold out they would have been higher on that list. If you look at % of tickets sold that would put them in the top 10 for NFL attendance.
My only point is that your comment seemed to be the most immature one in this thread. The only person in this thread who called your area “backwater” was someone not from Seattle or a Sonics fan. I would never call a OKC Thunder fans hillbilles or back water. It’s not your fault your owner bought the Sonics without any intent of keeping it in Seattle. (The contract he signed when buying the team said he would try in good faith to keep the team in Seattle) My problem with your above comment is that you blame the fans which is 100% bs. I hold no ill will to OKC fans. Bennent gutted the team when he bought it making the team unwatchable. Many people in Seattle did not go to the games because they knew Bennent was going to move the team and they did not want to support him.
If you want my take on getting another city’s NBA team read my previous comment above.
just an opinion for Sonics' fans....
While the circumstances under which “your” team left Seattle are quite questionable. I believe you’re forgetting one fundamental fact about professional sports. It is, always has been, and always will be a BUSINESS. You are not the first, nor will you be the last, city to lose “your” team. It has happened countless other times throughout the history of American sports. So please, quit crying about how you lost “your” team and realize it was not the city of Seattle that was signing the paychecks and taking a loss/gain in the pocketbook. That’s not to say that a city does not benefit from having a professional team, the point is the franchise was not owned by the city of Seattle and its citizens.
by IRISHJAYHAWK1025 on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 PM CST reply actions
The city may not have signed the paychecks
But they paid a lot of money for Key Arena renovations in 95.
In 95
lol…in 1995…and the team got sold in 2006. That’s more than 10 years. Love how people suck on their own toes all the time on these sports blogs. “We gave you money over 10 years ago, we don’t think we need to give you anymore and we should get to keep the team.” You Seattle kids will never get it.
Good God, are these people still here?
We don’t want your history or your one championship. We’re doing our own thing in OKC and it has nothing to do with you.
It’s been over three years. Just move on for Christ’s sake.
Punk in drublic.
Thanks for sharing
Excellent post.
I appreciate the Sonics history, but it’s yours and you should keep it. It won’t be appreciated here, right or wrong, because a lot of fans here didn’t care much about the NBA until we got this team so they just simply don’t care/know about what happened pre-2008. Keep your history and banners and appreciate them, and hopefully one day soon you’ll get to add to them.
Sacramento Kings and Seattle Seahawks fan in OKC
On the Sonics attendance
You hear this alot from Sonics fans. I never hear them mention this:
From 95-99 they averaged 17,000 per game (Key Arena was sold out basically, so their overall ranking in attendance is still middle of the pack, because the arena is smaller then the top teams).
But from the 99-00 season until they moved they averaged 15,447 a game. Good enough to put them in the bottom 8 in the league.
I wouldn’t call that overwhelming fan support. They had burned their bridge with Starbucks, but they also couldn’t get any support from SafeCo, Microsoft, Cray, Amazon, Costco, or any of the other major companies that are based in the area.
Bottom line, if Seattle fans, elected officials, and corporate sponsorship cared as much about the Sonics as they have claimed since the move, the team wouldn’t have been for sale. There is a bit of revisionist history going on here.
by KapUSMC on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Just throwing this out there....
For all you Sonic fans… The Kings are looking at Seattle as possibly their new home… How would the city of Seattle embrace the Kings? Knowing the pain and anguish that Sacramento would be going through… knowing that a team was ripped away from fans that love their Kings… could you in good conscience root for this team that is placed in your lap? I personally think, with the way Seattle has acted the last 3 years, it would be hypocritical for Seattle to accept a move from Sacramento… or any team looking to move at all. If i were in Seattle I’d wait for the next expansion to happen… I’d have to… i couldnt do to another city what Oklahoma City did to Seattle. Though… I’m an OKC fan living in Cincinnati that hasnt had an NBA team anywhere near them for decades… so I guess that I’m a little jealous that Seattle is complaining about their team they lost… when all you have to do is look at Cincinnati and see the great sports history here… but hey… at least we have the Reds…
The NBA is broken
and it’s business model basically pits 35 markets against each other for 30 teams. The goal is to extort the municipality or state for money for a stadium every 10 years under threat of relocation. There will be no expansion until viable new markets emerge, as it cuts into this system.
As for the Kings, I will absolutely cheer for them. There will be zero hypocrisy on the part of Seattle. The Maloofs have said for years that they are hemorrhaging money. They’ve worked with Sacramento and tried much like Seattle to get a deal done on a new arena. If they move it will be at the hands of the government, the ownership and the NBA…not the fans in Seattle who suffered a similar fate 3 years ago. Most Sonic fans aren’t mad at OKC, in fact, OKC ranks about 100th on the list (Howard Schultz occupies spots 1-90). It would however be hypocritical for you to call us hypocrites for cheering for the team, as you cheer for your team which was acquired under a comparable scenario.
Bottom line is that we want basketball. If we don’t do to Sacremento what was done to us, some other city will. Then won’t ever see a team. We never wanted to lose it, and the fact is that Seattle affluence is part of the reason they are gone. None of the wine and cheese crowd wanted to chip in, as the Sonics games weren’t the place to be seen anymore. We get it, but it’s a hard realization for many of us who loved the team to come to. I implore you to revisit your attendance after 5 years of piss poor management and/or losing (which will happen, albeit not soon). I think you’ll find attendance isn’t guaranteed when the honeymoon is over.
Also…you use a lot of ellipses.

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