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Rajon Rondo for Russell Westbrook? Heck no!

SLAM Magazine writer Leo Sepkowitz recently constructed an article entitled, "Fixing the NBA's Point Guard Problem". (Hat tip to Jeff Clark of CelticsBlog.) In the article, he explores the possibility of trading point guards to teams where they might fit. The first and most discussed potential trade in his article is that of Russell Westbrook for Rajon Rondo of the Celtics. He gives a thorough explanation, but the heart of the point is this:

The Thunder need a point guard who passes first, setting up Kevin Durant and James Harden to be the leading scorers rather than one who tries too hard to make things happen on his own. Unfortunately, Westbrook is shaping into the latter. In fact, it looks like he might be more of a shooting guard trapped in a point guard’s body than anything, much like Allen Iverson when he first started in the league. Once Iverson was allowed to roam free as a shooting guard who sometimes brought the ball up, he was able to develop into prolific the scorer that he became.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with anything he said above.  First of all, the Thunder lost the Conference Finals and had the Semi-Finals go to seven games because they had a lack of offense. Taking Westbrook out of the equation and putting in Rondo just takes more of that offense away and forces you to rely on the less skilled Thunder players for points. And having to rely on a guy like Ibaka or Collison to deliver offensively on a nightly basis is kind of like flipping a coin.

Below: Why we shouldn't blame Westbrook completely for the offensive collapses, making up for Westbrook's turnovers and lack of assists, Iverson vs. Westbrook, and the conclusion!

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Lots of people look at the end of Playoff games and blame Westbrook for not generating offense, but you can't pin it completely on him. The Thunder's offense consists largely of players who make offense their own, like the mentioned Durant and Harden. Neither of them do things like roll of of screens or look for open jumpshots. Rather, they run things like isolation plays, rhythm jumpers, and deep threes, because they're not going to get a lot of slack from their defenders. The types of players who could use Westbrook's help are guys like Perkins, Cook, Ibaka, and Collison, because they rely on the ball handler to make a move that puts them in position to score. And while, admittedly, he needs to do more to get them involved, all but Perkins usually get an apt chance to score. Also, losing the extra 12 Points a game that Westbrook provides over Rondo would be detrimental.

At this point, you might be saying that Rondos extra assists and lack of turnovers would make up for that, but I think the Thunder already do make up for that. They do it with James Harden, who has extremely good court vision for a two guard. He only gets two assists a game, but if he's stuck on a drive, he knows exactly the right person to throw it to in order to keep the ball moving. Additionally, they do it with Eric Maynor, who serves as a cool orchestrator when Westbrook gets a bit too rowdy.

Lastly, Allen Iverson is nothing like Russell Westbrook. A quick glance at the stat sheet might lead you to believe that, but they play the game in entirely different ways. Allen Iverson was small for the NBA at 6'0" and 165 pounds, but he more than made up for it with his quickness and ability to trick other players around the basket. This allowed him to beat any type of defender, and be a matchup nightmare for a larger guard. On the other hand, Russell Westbrook is much bigger than Allen Iverson, and therefore not as quick. As a result, he has to make up for his quickness with his physical strength and athleticism. He can overpower the smaller point guards in the league, making him a matchup nightmare at point guard, but his offense would be limited were he moved to shooting guard like Iverson was. Additionally, Westbrook can't create his own lane to the basket, like Iverson could. He has to find an open lane to drive in, so he can build up steam going to the basket and finish with a bang. He can do this much better while playing point guard, because he can more easily set a pick for himself or find gaps in the defense when he's holding the ball. In short, if you were to treat Westbrook like Iverson, you would limit him offensively because he's not as effective against bigger defenders, and he's better at creating plays for himself while the ball is in his hands.

To make a long story short, people are treating our team like it's one plagued with problems. But I think a lot of people need to be reminded that we just got to the Conference Finals with three of our starters still on their rookie contracts, and a center who was playing at 60% health. There are growing pains to be had with a point guard like Westbrook, but they can be overcome as he realizes how to incorporate passing skills into his game. And offering a solution like sticking him at shooting guard or taking away the offense he provides by trading for Rondo isn't what the Thunder need to do.

But, enough of my rambling. What do you think about this hypothetical trade? Vote in the poll, post a comment!

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Hate it!
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One Thing.

You rightfully point out that Westbrook playing the 2 would hurt his offense because of the bigger defender being on him, but this neglects an interesting in-house solution to the problem at hand: what if Harden runs the offense with Russell playing off-ball? This was done somewhat towards the end of the Western Conference Finals and I seem to recall it working well. Thoughts?

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by ejruiz on Jun 9, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

that's a great observation

And I remember when I watched that move by Brooks in Game Five of the WCF, I knew that I was getting a glimpse of next season. Dallas had no answer for Westbrook when he played off the ball.

Westbrook is and always will be the point guard, but when Harden comes in and plays along side Westbrook, it really unleashes Russ’ athletic ability. In late game situations, especially against good defensive guards, that’s a lethal combination because the defense clearly cannot double team Westbrook when Durant is sitting on the other wing.

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by J.A. Sherman on Jun 9, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think it needs to be a permanent switch

but I do think it should be a package for when the matchups favor it over Russ at point

by slackator on Jun 9, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree

any time Russ has a smaller guy on him, either by size or strength, he can do real damage in spurts at that off-guard position.

The real magic would be if RW and Harden are in the backcourt and the team switches up back and forth who is point and who is the 2. keep the defense guessing.

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by J.A. Sherman on Jun 9, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It works well occasionally

But you have to remember that even if Harden is playing “PG”, he was still being guarded by Stevenson or Terry. Westbrook was the one guarded by Barea or Kidd, so his physical advantages still came into play.

And you have to remember, while Harden does have excellent court vision and handles, he’s not a PG. He can play the position occasionally to throw the defense off and create more opportunities for Westbrook, but he’s too big and slow to play the position on a regular basis against other NBA PGs.

All in all, I like using that strategy in order to mix things up, I’d hate to use it on a regular basis.

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by Zorgon on Jun 10, 2011 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

*I like using that strategy sometimes in order to mix things up, but I’d hate to use it on a regular basis.

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by Zorgon on Jun 10, 2011 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

im a boston-okc fan
and rondo can find open guys for wide open shots,
OKC would be prolly a better team with rondo…he can penetrate and find the open guy outside for jumpshots, or easy layups
westbrook penetrates to force a layup

by SDK on Jun 9, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I love watching Rondo play

but here would be my biggest concern – OKC’s biggest flaw right now is how they fall apart in the last 5 minutes of games. Knowing all of Rondo’s limitations, how does he solve that problem? It pains me to watch him in those end of game situations, b/c he’s afraid to shoot or even get fouled.

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by J.A. Sherman on Jun 9, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poll needs more options!

I’m pretty middling on this trade, Rondo would help the offense by getting everyone the ball in the spots that they like. But Westbrook is a much better scorer and shooter. I like both of these players and I think if they switch teams it would be a very interesting case study, but I can’t say if it would make us better.

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by bigs26 on Jun 9, 2011 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

i'm just an observer, neither Thunder nor Celtics fan,

but i doubt that Rondo would be as effective in the Thunder offense as in the Celts offense. he’s playing with 3 hall of famers right now, he can rely on them to score effectively. the Thunder have only one player who’s carrying much of the scoring load for them, and James Harden who could be the 2nd option if this trade was made. that would demand Rondo to score more, and as long as he has no three point shot and doesn’t hit his free throws (56%), i’m not so sure about the improvement for the Thunder offense.

but, he is a great perimeter defender, and he is a true PG. a trade would make sense if the Thunder could get a low post big who is able to score and can play with his back to the basket.

btw, i think neither the Celts nor the Thunder would pull the trigger on this trade. as of now, both players fit in their current teams.

by Dubbel on Jun 10, 2011 4:07 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You get a rec

good sir!

How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.

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by bouzi on Jun 10, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

LEO IS RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG

No disrespect to Russel Westbrook but he really has some growing up to do. Westbrook wants to be the #1 guy on the OKC thunder while he has one of the most prolific scorers in all of the NBA on his squad. Westbrooks natural position is the one, but he is also a shoot first one that dominates the basketball. He passes the ball to his teammates once there is 8 seconds left on the shot clock and expects them to make a play. He might have a lot of talent and all the athleticism in the world but he doesnt have his head on his shoulders correctly or know when or where to pass the ball to his teammates. To be a true winning point guard in the league you need to understand your players and get them the ball in the position to score. It is partly the coaching staffs fault for not getting durant running off picks. He is not an “Iso” type player whether they like it or not and they should have understood that. With rondo they would have had a better chance to make the finals and would have a better future. Love Leo’s article.

by Andrew Aryeh on Jul 25, 2011 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Trade Westbrook for Rondo

Here`s the deal y`all trade Westbrook & R.Vaden to Boston for Rondo,J.O`Neal,A.Bradley, & E.Moore. The new lineup should be Rondo,Harden,Durant,Perkins, & Ibaka. Rondo is a true PG who make smart passes to his teammates KD,Harden, & Ibaka can catch and shoot like Celtics BIG3 and U got Perkins rebounding for U. KD can average 33 points a game by taking over 20 shots and getting at least 6 free throw attempts a game. Harden can average 23 points & 6boards he can and score any defender like he did at ASU. Rondo been working on his jumper so I say he can average 17 points and lead the lead in assist with 12 a game. Perkins 6 points & 9boards and Ibaka 13 points & 10boards. OKC will have the best in the NBA with 62 wins and in the NBA Finals. Plus they can make another trade get rid of Sefolosha and N.Robinson to Indiana for B.Rush and L.Stephenson and Reggie Jackson form Boston College can get more playing time I think he can average 12points off the bench and be like a J.J. Barea. Brandon Rush can average 12 also off the bench he shoot and drive at 6 foot 5. OKC will be in the Finals if these trades happen when the lockout end. Dallas happy with 1 titles and the Lakers are DONE!

by Wylon Chalk on Oct 2, 2011 10:57 PM CDT reply actions  

OKC 2012 NBA FINALS

OKC will have the best record with this new Roster and make it to the NBA Finals.

by Wylon Chalk on Oct 2, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  


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