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We Missed Out on DeJuan Blair. So What?

This post is here to address one of my biggest pet peeves when people talk about the Thunder. The person who complains is always some random caller on the Sports Animal, some friend on Facebook, or some random fan I happen to meet in person. They like to say we're missing a big physical post presence down low (which is true). But then, when laying blame for not getting that presence, they criticize the Thunder for not taking DeJuan Blair.

And you know what? I can't take it anymore. Enough. Sure, I'm acting like a big jerk, but if I hear this stupid argument one more time, I'm going to explode.

Back in 2009, the Thunder had the third and the 25th pick in the NBA Draft. The third pick was James Harden, and given how he's played this year, most have been satisfied with that selection. Unfortunately for the Thunder, the 25th pick was used to select Rodrigue Beaubois, who was immediately swung for the 24th pick, B.J. Mullens.

And Thunder nation cried. No wait, actually, nobody was crying. Because nobody knew we had missed out. Personally, I was disappointed that we didn't stick with Rodrigue Beaubois, who has gone on to be a semi-successful bench scorer for the Mavericks. The most read Thunder Blogger, Royce Young, rated the pick a B-, and said it was "great value" for as low as Mullens went. He does admit that Mullens could be a bust though. SLAM online said that, "drafting him at 24 is a great move by the Thunder". The list goes on. In fact, most columns about the draft ignored the selection of Mullens, and talked about Harden instead.

When the 37th pick came up, the Spurs made the obvious choice by picking DeJuan Blair, a big man with lots of skill, but questionable injury problems. DeJuan Blair was considered a huge steal for the Spurs, even at draft time. But, had B.J. Mullens dropped to the 37th pick by some sort of oversight, the Spurs might have taken him instead. Both players had strings attached, and for valid reason. B.J. Mullens was an athletic big with questions on his transition to the NBA game, and DeJuan Blair was a NBA-Ready big man who had questions about his injury history. Given how Mullens draft stock was much higher and the fact that he had more potential, the Spurs might have actually drafted him instead of Blair. And everyone would have called it a huge steal.

Below: Five Things People Forget When Calling Out The Thunder's Error.

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Unfortunately, now that 1.5 years have passed and DeJuan Blair has averaged decent numbers (over 20 and 10 in his past two games), people are up in arms about the pick. Oh, what an error the Thunder made! How could they have picked such a lame duck in B.J. Mullens, when DeJuan Blair was readily available and the obvious pick?!

When making this argument, people forget five things.

1. How the Thunder pick. The Thunder rarely, if ever, take a risk on injury prone players. (They did sign Nenad Krstic and Shaun Livingston, but those were low risk signings, not draft picks.) They generally make the safe pick when it comes to the draft, and rely on talent, work ethic, and upside when gauging a player's stock. It leads to some slow NBA transitions (Ibaka's year maturing in Spain, Harden's ho-hum season last year, Westbrook's steadily improving point guard skills), but it also pays huge dividends in the long run, and it helps avoid huge busts.

2. DeJuan Blair's career could end tomorrow, and B.J. Mullens hasn't been written off yet. Sure, things are heading in the wrong direction on both sides if this argument is to become true, but the NBA is a cruel mistress. DeJuan Blair is completely missing his ACLs, which means that his quads and hamstrings support his knees in lieu of his ACLs, and if one of those muscles gets injured, he's screwed. Additionally, he is at much higher of a risk for traditional knee injuries, and should his bones start to slide out of place, he could see a severe loss of mobility. (Professional explanations here and here.) Meanwhile, B.J. Mullens has averaged solid D-League numbers (15 PPG and 7.5 RPG last year), even though his game hasn't transitioned to the NBA Level. Being a young center, that's to be expected. Tyson Chandler, a center who came to the NBA straight out of High School, spent 5 years languishing on the Chicago Bulls before he finally found his game in New Orleans. Even a bust like Darko Milicic, after years of failure, is good enough to back up for any team in the NBA at this point.

3. Other teams missed out on DeJuan Blair too. The Mavericks, Bulls, Grizzlies (twice), Timberwolves, Lakers, Cavaliers, Kings, Wizards, Trail Blazers, Nuggets, and Pistons all missed out on him. And out of the guys who went between Mullens and Blair, how many were really that great? Taj Gibson is a decent big man for the Bulls, and Wayne Ellington and Dante Cunningham are alright guards. But none of them have set the world on fire, and none are going to win games for you.

4. There are no "busts" at Pick #25. Once you get into the late first round, the talent starts thinning out, and teams like to take chances on players they think have a shot at greatness. Nobody is passing up on sure things, and nobody is pinning the future hopes of their franchise on these players. If they work out, great. If they don't, cut them, or don't renew their contract after four years. It's as simple as that. Typically, franchises picking in this range are playoff teams that are using their pick for their future plans, or worse teams that want more prospects to harvest on their roster. Not teams looking for solutions to the gaping holes on their team.

5. The Thunder have a deep roster. While our roster isn't even close to a team like the Lakers in terms of talent, we beat the crap out of them when it comes to depth. People forget we have Morris Peterson, Royal Ivey, and Daequan Cook on the roster, all players that have had success on other NBA teams, and would be seeing time on other NBA teams were they not stuck behind Harden and Maynor. And in the big man department, there's D.J. White and Cole Aldrich, both players who are older than Mullens. White has a solid mid-range game as well, which got him time over Mullens when Krstic was hurt. Sure, Ibaka has found success while being the same age as Mullens, but he relies on his athleticism, while Mullens will rely more so on his size and skill, which takes more time to develop. (Even though Mullens is athletic for a 7 footer, he is not nearly as athletic as Ibaka.)

But, even after all of this, there still is an argument that I cannot refute.

"If DeJuan Blair blew both knees tomorrow and never played another NBA minute, he's already accomplished more than Mullens ever will."

That may turn out to be true. And if it is, then so be it.

Because the Thunder aren't the perfect NBA team. They don't know exactly how all of their prospects will turn out. Like everyone else, they have to make educated guesses and hope that they're right.

Sometimes, those guesses are wrong.

DEAL WITH IT.

Aaaah. That was quite therapeutic.

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Yes! It was such an obvious pick to make!
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No. It was the right decision at the time.
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Don’t look at me… I’d have drafted Brook Lopez instead of Russell and, assuming the lottery had stayed the same, drafted Tyreke Evans instead of James. Would we be better off? We will never know the “what ifs”.

We ask 48... We give 48...

by AD. on Jan 22, 2011 4:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

not...

sure at this point anyone is questioning the Westbrook pick. Also, don’t think Evans would fit in on the team, BUT Curry is one of those guys you look at and really wonder if his 3 point shooting would be killing it for this team. Oh well, if if and buts were candy and nuts…

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by rickpidero on Jan 22, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

It...

really isn’t the fact the Thunder passed on Blair, I hated Mullens ever since he couldn’t stay in the starting lineup in college. Just seemed like one of those guys everyone drools over but never materializes.

We could have had the French guy, but then the Maynor deal probably would have never went down. I’m pretty happy with Maynor as the backup right now.

I was hoping Casspi would fall to us at that spot, but went a bit earlier I believe.

Oh well, can’t complain too much. I do agree “no bust at 25.”

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by rickpidero on Jan 22, 2011 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

Beaubois isn't much of a PG though....

He would have probably served as competition/help for Harden. The Cook or Peterson trades might not have gone down, but I think Maynor still would have gone down. Cassipi would have been a nice option as well, but he went one pick earlier. Bleh.

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by Zorgon on Jan 23, 2011 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

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1. “How the Thunder pick. The Thunder rarely, if ever, take a risk on injury prone players.”

You missed the DJ White pick. Immediately in surgery and out almost the entire first season.

Some worries about Aldrich out there too.

And I don’t think Blair was missing games in college so injured didn’t hurt him in college and it has hurt him yet in the pros. Zero regular season games missed for injury or even DNP yet in his whole pro career.

2. “DeJuan Blair’s career could end tomorrow, and B.J. Mullens hasn’t been written off yet.”

That is could and not yet. Or it could be doesn’t happen and write it off. I’d bet on this combo over the other one.

Mullens might pan out but he has to play first before he can maybe learn and maybe pan out and is he going to play next year? It could go either way but I am fairly skeptical that he plays, learns and pans out with Brooks running a team going for the best possible record short-term..

3. “Other teams missed out on DeJuan Blair too.”

You can use that as an excuse for the Thunder or you can criticize them all.

Taj Gibson is a decent big man for the Bulls. It is not his job to set set the world on fire. He will you some games directly but he will provide enough support to allow others to win games for the Bulls.

4. "There are no “busts” at Pick #25."

But if you decide to pursue a long-term plan almost entirely built on both high and low first rounders, you shouldn’t get off scot-free.

5. “The Thunder have a deep roster.”

True. But depth of roster only matters so much, especially in the playoffs.

“…the Thunder aren’t the perfect NBA team…DEAL WITH IT.”

Yeah, but noting a missed opportunity is not exactly the same as demanding perfection, it is noting a missed opportunity and this is not the only one.

I don’t have problem with you having your basketball perspective and disliking an argument you disagree with on both major elements and stylistic grounds but I think calling the “wish we had Blair” comments “stupid arguments” is taking it a bit further than just disagreeing and disliking. If you feel “I’m going to explode”, then depending on how serious you were, maybe it would be wise to let others think as they will and you think as you will.They aren’t always going to match-up.

If your article helps you, great of course.

If my response is welcome, great. If not, oh well. It seemed like the other side might deserve to be out there too.

by StatRaven on Jan 22, 2011 11:21 PM CST reply actions  

Follow-up

"wish we had Blair" is different from “should have had Blair” and that is different also and from “I was actively for Blair on draft day and I can prove it.” There are people in each group,

Retrospective should have had any X with nothing said at the time or proved is somewhat annoying and probably too common but if you said wish we had or I was for him then that is either less annoying or more compelling respectively.

I can remember my stance on some draft choices better than others. On the pick that became Mullens I think I leaned toward Gibson but I don’t see all the lower ranked college players much so I wasn’t that particular about the pick as I’ve been some other times.

On Gibson in the previous post I meant to say:

He will win you some games directly but he will mainly provide enough support to allow others to push it over the top and win games for the Bulls.

Mullens might still work out somewhat or more but the clock is ticking on that while Blair is playing and playing pretty well.

To me, saying an argument is stupid is a bit different than thinking it and using other words. I’d prefer to see it called unfair if that is the way you feel or call it cherrypicking it appears to be that. But hey, everyone can select their own words (and maybe hear something back) Not a big deal in this case, but people saying arguments are stupid can sometimes cause problems on bigger things.

Mostly the focus should be on solving the issue from where the team is now with past decisions made but new decisions possible and probably needed.

by StatRaven on Jan 23, 2011 12:23 AM CST reply actions  

Nah, I totally welcome the other opinion. Without two sides, there's no debate to be had at all.

My lines are mainly out there for comedic purposes. For if I was to actually explode if I heard that argument again, I would immediately stop listening to, reading, and watching sports media for the rest of my life. Heheh.

You’re probably right in pointing out that the post was a bit brash by just calling the other side of the argument “stupid”, and denouncing it rather than offering solutions.

My main beef was with people who think the Thunder made a major error here, and especially with people who do so while contradicting their previous draft night opinion. I don’t think the missed pick is really a huge thing to complain about (It’s not like we drafted Olowakandi or Milicic). Sure, it’s something you can point out, but to harp over and re-hash the argument over and over again can drive a man mad. It’s simply the fact that there seemed to be no counter-argument to this point that I made this column. Thus, I criticized rather than constructively criticized because my main point was not to offer a possible solution for the Thunder’s big man problems or suggest a better method of picking moving forward, but to simply offer a counter-argument and downplay the importance of missing out on D.J. White. As I said above, my intent was a bit malicious, and I probably should have sat on this post for a bit so as to make it a bit more positive.

But my main points still do stand, and I’ll attempt to respond to your arguments in some semblance of an order….

D.J. White was sidelined with that jaw injury during his tenure with the Thunder, if I’m to be understood correctly. I don’t think he was drafted injured, and he only missed part of his Sophomore year due to injury during college. I’m not wholly clear on the issue, but I don’t think D.J. White had an “injury-prone” label on him, it’s just that a cancerous growth in his jaw gave him some bad luck in his first year.

Taj Gibson is a decent player, but even if we did draft him, he’s a player the Thunder already have. He plays like a more-refined, less athletic Serge Ibaka. He can pull out for a couple mid-range jumpers, and he gets interior baskets on nice cut plays, quick moves, or garbage baskets. How many times does be back down his opponent, like Blair does? How great of a one on one post defender is he? How much muscle does he have? I’m not saying he’s a bad player by any means, I’m just saying that he’d pretty much play like a mesh between Ibaka and Collison. It would help our overall talent level, but do little to remedy the big man situation. I would have rather taken a chance on B.J. Mullens, even now.

Our long term plan is indeed built on high and low first rounders. And so far, in the Presti tenure, the only “busts” are looking like Mullens, and possibly White. Meanwhile, the Thunder are third in the Western conference and considered to have one of the biggest upsides of the teams in the NBA. Sure, we’re not winning championships, so if you consider that to be not “scot-free”, you might be right. But I think we got off relatively well, even if that pick turns out to be worthless.

I’m not here to force others to think my opinion. Rather, the article is here to spark up debate (like the one we’re having here) and present a different perspective to people who might not have seen this side of the debate before. The blog is a platform for opinion, and I am providing it. My words might have been harsh, but they were merely there for dramatic and comedic effect, rather than genuine hate towards dissent from my opinion. I’ll try to make that more clear in upcoming articles.

Yes, there are different camps when it comes to this. People in the “Wish we had Blair” and “I was actively for Blair on draft day and I can prove it” camps are fine with me, as long as they don’t harp on the issue. It’s the "should have had Blair" camp that I have the most problem with, and I try to make that clear in the article.

In the end, you called for me to offer a solution to the problem, so I will. I can see the Thunder running until the end of the year with their current rotation, and not venturing too deeply into next years draft, with a Blair-esque pick unlikely to happen. As we roll on into 11-12 (Krstic Expires), we’ll see if either Aldrich or Mullens can step up for us and be that physical presence inside. If they can’t, then Presti might have to cut his losses and enter the open market. We might have to say goodbye to some familiar faces, but it might be sweet sorrow if we can find the player we need, since that player is unlikely to come through the draft or Free Agency. All in all, I see that presence coming to us one way or another in late 11-12 or early 12-13. Of course, the world could end by then, so I’m just imagining at this point. I don’t think the draft is a viable solution unless we can stumble into a sure thing (a high pick), because time is ticking on this team, and soon enough we won’t exactly have the time to train another Aldrich or Mullens if they fail and our younger players start asking for big contracts.

But, I guess the main thing that I want to say here is that I’m not trying to shut out other opinion, or try to destroy it. If I ever look like I’m doing so, it’s not intentional. This blog should be seen as a platform for debate, not a man yelling at you on a television screen. I’ll try to make my articles more constructive and debate-starting in the future.

Wow, that was long. Sorry for the uncontrolled rambling.

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by Zorgon on Jan 23, 2011 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I...

have a solution, no more drafting big white guys?

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by rickpidero on Jan 23, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahahahaha. That could work too.

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by Zorgon on Jan 23, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds good

Thanks for the reply.

I didn’t want to blow reaction to the “stupid” word too big but I thought I’d say something. Maybe I could have said something lighter. In part I wanted to draw out your clarification. I expected you probably would something like what you said but I wasn’t sure based on limited reading of other stuff. You said it well.

I might rank Gibson a bit higher than you but I was seeing him as a 3rd or 4th big and nothing more than that. Probably more 4th big.

We don’t disagree much on timetable expectations for how the big man situation will be dealt with, but I’d probably still advocate a quicker, more aggressive approach.

I was late in visiting the site (can’t go everywhere) and won’t predict future frequency, but I’ve poked around a bit and it looks like you’ve got good content. Best wishes in general and with trying to foster discussions here. They don’t happen often everywhere, even if they are encouraged or deserved; but do what works for you and be content / proud. Enjoy the team.

by StatRaven on Jan 23, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

Word up.

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by Zorgon on Jan 23, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Blair would be the answer anyway.

He’s 6’8". That’s way to short to make a huge impact by himself on any team. He benefits a lot from having Tim Duncan down low with him. The Thunder couldn’t give him that help that a player his size needs. For example Big Baby Glen Davis look at how well he did when Garnett went down earlier this season; not very well. His ability to score dropped dramatically because Garnett wasn’t there to take defenders away so they could concentrate completely on him and he’s not big enough to create his own shot . They both definitely bring toughness to their teams ,but without another big guy their numbers simply go down.

by Vikings55Thunder on Feb 8, 2011 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

Mullens was a miss, Blair would've been a better choice

Deal with it.

Then again, it forced the trade that brought us Perkins and probably also factored into getting Mohammed. So in the end it worked out for the best.

If little criticisms like that drive you crazy enough to write such a long commentary, I think you got too much time on your hands.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 17, 2011 4:41 AM CDT reply actions  


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