I am a Magic fan but I am just wondering
by Mateo9399 on Aug 12, 2010 12:21 PM CDT
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Would you guys swap Jeff Green for Marcin Gortat? I live in Orlando and obviously root for them, but I like the makeup of your team, although your owner stole them from Seattle, but your team is just too nice to not like. It is kinda like our team. Humble leader and solid pieces around them but need one person at one spot to smooth things out. Listen I love Gortat, he wroks hard, defends, rebounds, and actually can score when given the chance. I like Jeff Green but cringed when he had to play against Pau Gasol. I just felt bad for the guy(I also grew up watching Georgetown so I have little soft spot for him.). I don't watch many Thunder games, so I don't if Ibaka can play or plays the four. But Ibaka and Gortat around the rim is pretty good. I know Green is well-liked but it seems he has maxed out his position with you guys. Thoughts. IF you think I am an idiot just say so.
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I don’t think either team would do that trade, but to answer your question, no, I wouldn’t do it. I’m not a big Jeff Green fan, but I’m not a fan of Gortat’s contract and another MLE-type center isn’t really what this team needs. I guess you could bring back Collison and have an Aldritch/Gortat rotation at C and a Ibaka/Collison rotation at PF, but I don’t think that’s the lineup that’s gonna really push this this team to elite status.
No
Gortat is a good player, but if Green is ever going to be displaced at the PF position for the Thunder, it’ll be because 1) they were acquiring a big name, high impact PF in return, 2) either Mullens or Aldrich develop into our franchise center and Ibaka takes PF, putting Green on the bench, or 3) he signs elsewhere. Theres no way he would get swapped for someone of equal caliber (if Gortat can be considered equal to Jeff Green) and risk throwing off team chemistry. One of the reasons Durant was so happy to sign that extension was that he sincerely loves his team. Now is not the time to mess with success.
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This move would not reap substantial gains for either team yet it would instill change. That is a recipe for disaster. On a team that doesn’t need to be shaken up significantly to improve, only to continue developing, I see no upside.
Ummm...
Gortat is not Green’s equal, in my opinion.
Also, if our owner stole the team, will the previous owner return the check so we can afford to pay players more?
Oh, wait, that’s right, when you pay money for something, it’s a purchase, not stealing.
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by ElectricPencils on Aug 13, 2010 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
I think your an idiot.
Not because Gortat is bad. Not because Gortat’s skills are obviously inferior to Green’s. Just because that one retarded thought you just couldn’t keep to yourself.
“I like the makeup of your team, although your owner stole them from Seattle”
Nobody stole anything. He bought them fair and square. Gave them a year to get thier shit together. Seattle failed. The city of Seattle may have lost thier team but the team was not stolen by any means. Grow up already. You know damn well if you were lucky enough to buy a professional sports team you would want them near your home too. That line is so old and disrespectful to the Oklahoma City Thunder and thier fans.
You have NO IDEA what you're talking about
The people of Seattle were loyal to this team until it became clearly evident that Bennett was going to ship them off to the middle of nowhere (and that was well before 2008).
I guess you have $500 million laying around your house; sadly people from Seattle are no so lucky that we could have given in to Bennetts BLACKMAIL scheme.
I also think it’s very telling that seemingly everyone who isn’t from OKC believes the Sonics were stolen from Seattle. Very telling, indeed.
I'm not from Okahoma City.
And I’ll say this for the bazillionth time, if Seattle were such a great city to host an NBA team, the Sonics would still be there. No one’s moving a cash cow. These people are businessmen. There’s a reason the previous owner sold the team, don’t you think?
The fact that the team was moved to and is thriving in a smaller market is very telling, isn’t it? Very telling, indeed.
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by ElectricPencils on Aug 21, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
how do you do that rec thing
this post should be the automatic response to all the idiots still saying we stole the dame team. Thanks EP
Just click on actions.
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by ElectricPencils on Aug 22, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
2 points that have yet to be disproved..
1-If you BUY something you have the right to do with it as you please.
2-You(the city of Seattle) had the opportunity to keep them. For whatever reason(excuse), you failed to do so.
Look, it was his team. He paid for it. If I go to my local retailer and buy the new Madden 11, do I have to leave it at the store and come back to play it. No. It’s mine. I can take my new toy home with me. That’s all that happened. The end.
The city of Seattle had the chance to keep them. They didn’t pony up for a new facility. You can call it blackmail(I don’t see how that word is fits but ok) or anything else. The fact is, he didn’t even have to do that much as was explained previously.
There was in no way a theft though. I mean do you morons even know what the word means. He didn’t break into Seattle and throw the team in a bag and take off. He made a business transaction. Period. If you want to be mad at someone blame the previous owner for selling them or blame yourself as a city. Either way they are here now. Get over it.
and by loyal you mean....
not going to games?
not paying the taxes to finance a new facility?
I might be going out on a limb here, but I dare say Seattle has a few more people living there than OKC has. We are more than happy to do all we can to do our part to make this team successful. Maybe if the people of Seattle felt that way there would still be a team there. You(Seattle) have multiple other professional teams that you don’t give a shit about. Why are you still whining about this one 2 years later. Grow up. You lost. We won. Get used to it.
No
Gortat is a nice role player, worth maybe $5 million a year. He gets paid $6-7.5 million a year for the next 3 years, so his trade value (marginal value) is somewhat negative (unless he develops more, which is possible but unlikely). He’s slightly overpaid.
Green is a 6th man/lower tier starter. Worth probably $9 million a year, and increasing as he matures. He’s paid $4.5 million this next year, then RFA. So that’s $4.5 million in marginal value; I’ll assume market value for the next contract.
So Gortat’s trade value is about -$3 million to Jeff Green’s +$4.5 million. Not an even trade at all.
In terms of fit (in that a player could be worth more to some teams than others), it doesn’t make much more sense. JG is similar to Rashard Lewis; Gortat is a center through and through.
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