Draft Reactions and unanswered questions
Uche Echefu #41 and our boy Ryan Reid #42
I've been really working hard the last couple days wrapping my mind around a couple things the Thunder did the night of June 24th. Before I go any further, let me first say that I appreciate and trust Presti and his team's experience and hard work. They have been extremely busy so kudos for that.
I think I'm starting to understand the Cole Aldrich decision after having given it some thought and mainly just forcing myself to like him. I am also hopeful for Pleiss and really think he might be something special for us in a couple years.
That said, I am still waiting for Presti's press conference with David Stern where he pops up from behind the podium and says "Just Kidding! Ha, I really got you guys! We will actually be taking Ryan Richards at the 48th pick before the Spurs snagged him at 49, we also still picked Magnum Rolle at our 51st pick but at 57th that whole Ryan Reid thing was an especially good joke, we actually got Sherron Collins at 57th to get a look at him with his teammate Cole and still traded Magnum to Indiana. Thanks for coming and I hope you guys got some good laughs...."
And yet, I'm still waiting for the press conference....
For starters, I have yet to hear an answer as to what the heck they were thinking with Ryan Reid, or who in the world he is! Nbadraft.net doesn't even have a profile on the guy and Givony over at Draftexpress politely said the following,
"Ryan Reid was on his way to making a nice career in whatever field he got his degree in at Florida State. Instead he just got drafted. Wow"
and
"I think Ryan Reid may be the worst player to get drafted since the NBA went to two rounds. Never saw that coming in 5 billion years."
That may be pushing it a bit, but REALLY? We picked at 57th to get a guy who DEFINITELY wasn't going to be drafted? My main question is, why didn't we at least take a chance on Sherron Collins (as mentioned above to see him with Aldrich), Scottie Reynolds, Jon Scheyer, Stanley Robinson or a Brian Zoubek? At least these guys have proven they can play basketball at a high level. I am utterly bewildered and can't wait to be pleasantly shocked by Reid being actually useful.
Secondly, was the Latavious Williams thing done as an "atta-boy" for his time spent in on our D-League team? He seemed ok, but 11pts/ 8 reb in the D-League isn't necessarily anything to write home about. I had heard a lot of chatter about Ryan Richards being a steal in the second round and really had hoped we might take a shot at him. ESPN’s Chad Ford had this to say about him at the combine "'he shot the ball well, was very fluid running up and down the court and showed a sound basketball IQ.' His measurements were just as impressive — he’s the third-tallest prospect at 6'-11¾" tall, 7'-2" wingspan and has a lithe frame that could comfortably carry another 20 pounds. Richards also turned 19 years old on April 24, making him the youngest player in the 2010 Draft. He’s aggressive and intense, something European players are not known for." The word everyone has been using to describe Richards for San Antonio at 49 has been an "absolute steal." Time will tell.
I'm just struggling trying to like/make some sense of our teams decisions on draft night. I understand the principles our GM and his staff live by:
1.) Sustainability 2.)Flexibility 3.) Good citizens on and off the court 4.)Defensive Identity
All that to say, they did a great job working hard, burning up the phone lines, and turning 4 picks into 6 Players and a future pick. I just think with some tweaking, it could have gone from good to great. My adjusted picks would have been:
(11.)Aldrich (18.) James Anderson (31.)Tibor Pleiss (48.)Ryan Richards (57.)Sherron Collins
Those picks would have given us 2 potential Centers, a stashed international prospect, another great perimeter shooter and another aggressive scoring option at point. Granted, not all of these guys might make the cut, but we'd have a heck of a summer league team to look at and sort through.
Again, I suppose time will tell. My grade for Presti: B- but I'll raise that to a B+ if Ryan Reid does just one good thing this summer.
This post does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of Welcome to Loud City or SB Nation. However, it was made by one of the members of the Welcome to Loud City community, so there is a large chance the above post is extremely ballin'!
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I have a feeling that the San Antonio picks will be good picks. I say this because the thunder
could’av drafted these guys.
Personally...
I’m not worried about the 57th pick or even the 48th pick. I could care less if Williams and Reid never wear a Thunder jersey. Obviously Presti wanted to take a closer look at these two. I’m not mad at that.
I think we have enough centers at the moment. I wouldn’t want to add projects like Alabi or Richards to the mix of Aldrich, Krstic, Mullens, Pleiss, and Ibaka.
I feel the same way about the guard spots. Scheyer would have been an interesting pick up, but I’m comfortable with Westbrook, Maynor, Harden, Sefolosha, Cook, and Weaver.
Plus here are Scheyer’s weaknesses according to Chad Ford:
* Not a great athlete
* Lacks real lateral quickness or leaping ability
* Struggles to create his own shot
* Shooting percentage dips dramatically with defensive pressure
* Poor shooting percentage for such a great shooter
He doesn’t sound like a good defender or shooter under pressure. Pass.
Your picks were:
(11.)Aldrich (18.) James Anderson (31.)Tibor Pleiss (48.)Ryan Richards (57.)Sherron Collins
If we picked up Collins, Richards, and Anderson or roster situation would be even more cluttered than it is now. Not only would we have to drop Weaver, but we’d also have to consider buying out White, Peterson, or Cook just to make a roster spot for Anderson. That would also eat the little cap space we have left. Moving the 18th pick seemed like the right move to me.
Honestly, I’d feel horrible if we locked up Collins just to send him to the D-League for a few years. I’d rather him be at Charlotte trying to make an NBA camp.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
I’m not saying we needed to add all those guys to our roster, but we’d have at least gotten a look at them like Vaden. If they became something it would just be a bonus.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no argument you can make
that will convince me we shouldn’t have taken James Anderson.
I would gladly drop Weaver and buy out White, Peterson or Cook.
Mark my words, it’s gonna feel bad at the end of next season when he’s had a great year.
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by ElectricPencils on Jun 28, 2010 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand. Anderson is a great shooter. I do think Anderson’s going to have productive NBA career, but I don’t think he is going to be a star by any means. Passing on Anderson will be hard to judge until we see what the Thunder do with the Clipper’s pick.
At the moment, I’d rather have Cook and the Clip’s future 1st rounder.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
Oh yeah, I'm really starting to get excited about Cole.
I know he’s not going to be a star, but he’ll more defense and rebounding than what we had this past year. Also the kid knows how to throw an outlet pass.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
I think Aldrich will do his job. Because of his work ethic, he’ll quickly become a fan favorite.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the pick at 57 should have been a euro stash move, but ryan reid wont be the reason we win or lose anything. that comes down to what was already here plus cole and pleiss.
Agreed, it probably didn’t matter much either way at 57 but at least taking a shot at a potential gamer could’ve been a high potential reward/ low risk move.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Richards is getting a lot of love
But, according to the this article he is pretty much unknown in his home country. Could be one of those workout/measurable guys the NBA loves (see: every failed Euro).
I like his hype, but I don’t think we should be too disappointed about it.
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I think his x-factor is that he’s hungry and he’s got some natural tools. Basketball isn’t too big in the UK so I’m not too surprised their media doesn’t know him. Especially since he’s been playing on other clubs elsewhere in Europe the last couple years.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The Thunder has the best management in the NBA. And Presti has been proving wrong in the draft very rarely. You guys have people running your team that know what they’re doing. Adrich won’t be a star, he might never even make an all star team but you guys don’t need a star at C. You have a superstar, you have the best number 2 guy in the league. All you needed is inside presence, and Aldrich gives you that. Your my dark horse to win the west and meet the Bulls in the finals next season.
Actually, his drafts have been good, no doubt. But at the same time, they’ve also been almost foolproof. He’s had very high lottery picks in the last 3 drafts. In 2007 at the #2 pick he took KD (No-brainer). Also, in 2007 at #5 he took Jeff Green (So-so). In 2008, he had the #4 pick and took Westbrook (Great Pick). In 2009 at #3 he took James Harden (We’ll see). I really like Presti and the gang, but we do have to realize in the mix with the good picks, there’s been a bit of luck, and also his share of flops (DJ White, Kyle Weaver, DeVon Hardin, BJ Mullens ).
Overall, they’re a good management staff and I really love the fact that they aren’t impulsive or rushed with any decisions they make. They’re doing things right to build a winner in that regard.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot to mention Ibaka.
And I think it is too early to call Mullens a complete flop.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
Ok...
To be fair he’s a “we’ll see.” In fact, some good things are being said about his hard work over the summer.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
…Mullens, not Ibaka. He’s obviously solid.
by scottland10 on Jun 27, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Who picked Robert Swift?
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by ElectricPencils on Jun 28, 2010 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions
He was drafted in 2004 by then Sonics GM Rick Sund.
by scottland10 on Jun 28, 2010 7:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Presti’s first year was the KD draft
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
so officially Presti’s picks look like this:
2007 KD, Glen Davis, Carl Landry (Davis and Allen went to Bos for Jeff; Landry dealt as well)
2008 Russ, Serge, Walter Sharpe (dealt for DJ), Sasha Kaun (traded), Hardin, James Gist
2009 Harden, Mullens (flip for Beaubois)
2010 Brackins, Pondexter (traded both for Aldrich), Bledsoe (future 1st), Pleiss (gave cash), Williams (traded future 2nd for him), Rolle (dealt for Reid)
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
In 2008 someone named Trent was drafted as well.
He was included in the DJ White trade. So Aldrich is not the 1st time OKC packaged picks to move up.
I don’t remember Gist.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
yea dude from BYU.
Gist i saw on the list, but I thought he was a SA pick as well.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
wasnt sure where to put this, but rumors about the bledsoe future pick protection.
appears that the Clippers pick will be lottery protected in the 2011 draft.
In 2012, the Clippers own their pick as well as Minnesota’s unconditional first rounder which was part of the Marko Jaric – Sam Cassell trade. Should the pick roll over into 2012, we will receive the lower of the two picks unconditionally.
Should be a decent pick either way.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
"lower"
I get confused easily. If the Clippers pick is 5. And Minny’s pick is 8. Which would we get?
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
8. lower in the draft order, higher number.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not so sure the Clippers are gonna be as bad as everyone thinks. Their Roster currently looks like this:
PG – Baron Davis
SG – Eric Gordon
SF – Rasual Butler
PF – Blake Griffin
C – Chris Kaman
Key Reserves: Al-Farouq Aminu, Travis Outlaw, D. Gooden, E. Bledsoe, S. Blake
A couple of those guys are FAs but they still may surprise some people this year.
They may surprise, but they're in the West
Where even good teams don’t make the playoffs.
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by ElectricPencils on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but if it's protected
We have to hope they are between 11 and 14 if we’re assuming they don’t make the playoffs. Those are unreasonable odds for not getting our 1st round pick back…
if it’s protected we dont get it if they miss the playoffs and it rolls over to 2012 when if both Minny and the Clips miss we just get the lower draft position, higher numbered pick.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Theoretically
Wouldn’t it be better to have a lotto pick in 2012, rather than next year, to space out the higher rookie contracts?
Also, what are the chances we could package that pick in a trade before then?
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by ElectricPencils on Jun 28, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree. The later the better.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
i agree, especially since potentially it could be higher, but then again it depends on the draft classes.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i dunno...
feel like Clips will be pretty good the year after next.
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and i feel like we say that every year about the clips, but then they act like the clips.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
…they add Rudy Gay, and I might become a closet Clips fan. I already love Boom Dizzle, and Griffin.
by scottland10 on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt that describe almost every Clips fan? I think Gay goes to NJ.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
When...
the dust settles someone will panic, not get one of the ‘big’ guys, and really overpay for Gay
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Do the Clips
Really need to sign Gay after they just drafted Aminu? They need to be signing free agents for the backcourt.
Agreed that Aminu will likely be very similar to Gay in a few years. Rudy just seems to be a name associated with them a lot lately.
what is more interesting was the Joe Johnson spec when they have Eric Gordon. If the Clips made him available i would be very interested.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
who assumed they would be bad? that said, if they were going to be that good it shouldnt be this hard to find someone who wants to coach them should it?
The thing with the clippers is it is never about the talent level, but they just have a way of finding a way to screw themselves. Even if they make the playoffs though it is probably not higher than the 18 pick we gave up. Which Western playoff team do you seem them knocking out? Also Houston and Memphis as good teams that didnt make it last year, Sac rising.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We already have 3 project bigs on the roster…Ibaka, Mullens, Pleiss….they didn’t want to add a 4th.
Reid was brought in b/c the times they went to scout FSU he balled out. He dominated I believe Ed Davis and Derrick Favors. We also got back some of the money from the Pleiss/Williams deals.
They clearly like Latavious Williams. They drafted him straight to the D-league out of high school last year and they want to keep him. He was a top 20 recruit in HS.
We didn’t have the 48th pick. That was Miami’s and they knew we wanted Williams so they took him to get back something for us robbing them in the earlier deal.
We didn’t have the 57th pick either. That was Indiana’s that we traded for Rolle for Reid and cash.
I think you’re really just looking for something to complain about if you’re complaining about what we did in the 2nd round.
If Presti was that high on Richards he could have called a few teams and offered future 2nds or even the Clippers first to get him. He liked Pleiss more.
We didn’t give up a single player or pick in any of these deals. Really not much to complain about other than missing on Seraphin/Sanders which proved unavoidable since both were taken just ahead of the 18th spot.
Pleiss probably won’t be on the roster for another year, or more.
Reid may have had a couple good games, but the overall body of his work doesn’t say much is all I’m saying, so it’s an interesting pick and …we’ll see.
I agree, they probably did like Latavious Williams. I’m however suggesting someone who may potentially have had more upside, so again, the summer and up-coming season will be more telling.
We were able to buy the 48th pick so we likely had a hand in who was chosen.
Look, I am allowed to offer my opinion of our second round picks. This isn’t “complaining.” I really enjoy this Thunder team and their management as I mentioned and I like being involved in discussions regarding their future. Chill out.
we only bought the 48th pick AFTER the Heat took Williams which was an out of nowhere pick.
Richards isn’t coming over for a year or more either so your point about Pleiss is nullified.
I think you are the one that needs to relax. Where did I saw you aren’t allowed to your opinion? I’m allowed to my opinion about your post and it comes off as nit-picky and complaining. Don’t get so defensive over someone disagreeing with you.
Actually, based on what you’re saying, Richards then wouldn’t “add a fourth project big on the roster.”
I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me, I’m saying I don’t think you need to call me “complaining and nit-picky.” Keep your comments to the Team.
actually what I was saying was that we already have 3 project bigs as part of this organization, which includes draft rights of players
I see. I thought you were talking about the roster.
by scottland10 on Jun 28, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
before the draft richards said he was staying here either in the nba or nbdl.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard the same. BallinEurope says he really wants to stay, but Spurs want him overseas. No final decision yet, but I don’t think they’ll ship him away if he badly wants to be over here.
by scottland10 on Jun 29, 2010 10:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well im not sure what the rule is on that in terms of if you can hold the rights to a player but not sign them for the nbdl like you can for europe. the difference is a roster spot because if they have to sign him for him to play in the nbdl then he costs the roster spot and salary vs overseas they just retain his rights.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 29, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
they can sign him straight to the D-league roster but if they want to call him up they have to sign him to their roster.
interesting that he wants to come over right away
by ThunderHorn on Jun 30, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
He even mentioned his intentions during the Draft Combine in Chicago.
Why not sign him to the Toros? Trying to send him back to Europe doesn’t make sense to me.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
b/c he’ll probably get to play against better compeititon in europe.
by ThunderHorn on Jun 30, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I think if you’re “assigned” to the DL, you fill a roster spot and salary like Mullens, White, and Weaver. But if you’re an undrafted player, you can be called up to any roster.
by scottland10 on Jun 30, 2010 8:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you can sign guys from the 2nd round straight to your DL team but they can’t be called up and sent down at the team’s whim unless they are signed to the NBA team’s contract.
by ThunderHorn on Jun 30, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
interesting. wonder why more teams wouldnt do that then and in a sense have your organization developing them directly.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Mullens, White, and Weaver were already signed by OKC...
before they suited up for the 66ers.
Livingston on the other hands played for the 66ers before he was signed by OKC.
Loud City Resident
The tooth fairy must have a thing for Cole Aldrich.
His tooth keeps disappearing and reappearing.
well they were 1st rounders with guaranteed deals.
by Michael Gleich on Jun 30, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand that. I said those were guys who were “assigned” to the DL but filled a Thunder roster spot. That assignment happened after they were drafted at differing points. Whereas a player who’s a full fledged member of a D-League team with no NBA team designation, can be called up by any pro team.
I just didn’t know about the rule that ThunderHorn mentioned, that a 2nd rounder could be assigned straight away to the D-league and not take up a roster spot. I assume those guys can only be called up by the team who drafted them…?
Ryan Reid will play for the 66ers this season. He’s a solid defender and will become the Bruce Bowen type of defender but will be able to defend 3’s and 4’s. He has excellent all around skills and athleticism. He’s not going to make $5million a year but will eventually fill out the roster and become a valuable player off the bench. Presti has good vision. When would a James Anderson break into the Thunder rotation? Presti did an excellent job. The team has three 1st round picks over the next 24 months and one of them might be a lottery pick. The team is stacked and solid. No complaints.

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