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Thoughts about trade/draft/free agency

I’ve been thinking about the off-season and draft very seriously for the past few days. Here is what I would do at the moment.

1st Option - Joakim Noah for Byron Mullens, Nenad Krstic (or Nick Collison), the 21st draft pick, and the 32nd draft pick. If successful (highly unlikely) then draft the best perimeter shooter available with the 26th draft pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

If unsuccessful, then offer various combinations of D. J. White, Kyle Weaver, Nenad Krstic, Byron Mullens, Nick Collison, 21st draft pick, 26th draft pick, 32nd draft pick, and 51st draft pick to move up in the draft for one of the following players.

2nd Option – The projected 13th pick Daniel Orton (or Udoh if available) for (any combo of White, Weaver, Krstic, Mullens, Collison), the 21st draft pick, and the 26th draft pick. Then draft a perimeter shooter with the 32nd pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

3rd Option – The projected 14th pick Hassan Whiteside for (any combo of White, Weaver, Krstic, Mullens), the 21st draft pick, and the 32nd draft pick. Draft a perimeter shooter with the 26th pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

4th Option – The projected 18th pick Larry Sanders for (White and/or Weaver), the 21st draft pick, and the 32nd draft pick. Draft a perimeter shooter with the 26th pick.

5th Option – If Orton, Udoh, Whiteside, or Sanders are available at the 21st pick, draft in that sequence. Draft Seraphin if he is available with the 26th pick. Draft a perimeter shooter with the 32nd draft pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

6th Option – Draft Kevin Seraphin with the 21st draft pick. Trade D. J. White, Kyle Weaver (and possibly Krstic), and the 26th draft pick for Javale McGee. Draft the best perimeter shooter with the 32nd pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

7th Option - Draft Kevin Seraphin with the 21st draft pick. See what trades are available for the 26th draft pick and D. J. White. The following guys have miss substantial time due to injuries, but they are still worth considering: Robin Lopez, Marreese Speights, and Anthony Randolph. Draft the best perimeter shooter with the 32nd pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

8th Option - Draft Kevin Seraphin with the 21st draft pick. Draft the best perimeter shooter with the 26th pick. Reach down for Jerome Jordan or Jarvis Varnado with the 32nd draft pick. Trade or stash the 51st draft pick.

9th Option - Draft Solomon Alabi with the 21st draft pick. Draft a perimeter shooter with the 26th draft pick. Trade or stash the 32nd & 51st draft picks.

10th Option – Draft the best guard or small forward available with the 21st draft pick. Trade or stash the 26th, 32nd, 51st draft picks. Sign David Lee or Luis Scola during free agency.

11th Option - Draft the best guard or small forward available with the 21st draft pick. Trade or stash the 26th, 32nd, 51st draft picks. Sign Hakim Warrick or Udonis Haslem during free agency.

12th Option - Draft the best guard or small forward available with the 21st draft pick. Trade or stash the 26th, 32nd, 51st draft picks. Sign Ian Mahinmi during free agency.

Of course this is all subject to change.

This post does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of Welcome to Loud City or SB Nation. However, it was made by one of the members of the Welcome to Loud City community, so there is a large chance the above post is extremely ballin'!

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I like options

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As long as we don’t make the same mistake and draft a player from the first round that
should of went in the second round.

by triple5 on May 9, 2010 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

who...

was that?

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he means Mullens?

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm...

well Dallas drafted him, but okay.

and, I can be on board with option 8

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Presti can claim credit for Roddy B.

That Presti is such a genius.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

option...

1 would be amazing.

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 2:35 AM CDT reply actions  

We can only wish.

White can be included as well. So the Bulls would be left with Rose, Deng, Hinrich, Gibson, and James Johnson. Add in Collison, White, and Mullens. Then they could draft (17) Larry Sanders, (21) James Anderson, and (32) Mikhail Torrance (or Crawford). Then they sign D-Wade (I think they might have enough space left).

PG. Rose – Hinrich – Torrance
SG. Wade – Hinrich – Torrance
SF. Deng – Anderson – Johnson
PF. Gibson – Collison – White
C. Sanders – Collison – Mullens

I’m not mad at that. That’d tie up their cap flexibility, but Collison would come off the books in the 2011 season.

It still won’t happen, but all we can do is try.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're just teasing me with the Noah talk

A lot of nice possible scenarios. I definitely think a trade is in the future.

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by ElectricPencils on May 10, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Can I add Option 13:

Draft Sanders at 21, Q-Pon at 26, Sign Scola and stash/trade 32 and 51?

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Sounds good, but I'd have to rank that alternative a bit higher.

I intended a sequence of alternatives, and I didn’t think we’d add more than 2 players for the upcoming season.

Perhaps 4.1 or 5.1 depending if Sanders is available?

If we don’t trade up for Sanders, then there will be another problem. Depending on what the Thunder do with Mustafa (whom I completely forgot while run through this scenario), we would still need to clear a roster space. Maybe we could package White & the 32nd pick for a future 1st round pick?

Also could that be too many forwards? KD, Green, Collison, Ibaka, Sanders, Q-Pon, and Scola would have to split time between the 3 and 4. I’m sure Ibaka, Sanders, Collison, and Scola could put time in at the 5, but it seems like a bit of a log jam. Especially when you have Krstic and Mullens on the roster as well.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think if we added Scola then one of Kristic or Collison would be moved out.

5. Ibaka, Scola, Nick/Kristic
4. Green, Scola,
3. KD, Q-Pon, Jeff
2. Thabo, J-Hard, Q-Pon
1. Russ, Maynor

Larry would get 4/5 minutes and probably some d-league time along w Mullens. I really dont know what they are going to do with White/Weaver.

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty nice lineup.

I don’t think White or Weaver are going to pan out. How many roster spots are there? 14?

1. Durant
2. Russy
3. Green
4. Thabo
5. Ibaka
6. Harden
7. Maynor
8. Collison
9. Krstic

Those are the 9 I think will be on our roster fulltime, as of now. I think Mullens is still a D-Leaguer. (Perpetually a D-Leauger.) Ollie and Thomas are off the books, right?

Just trying to sort the roster out. Am I missing anyone?

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by ElectricPencils on May 10, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is 15 spots.

You pretty much have it down…

1. Russ
2. Harden
3. Durant
4. Green
5. Krstic – Player Option
6. Maynor
7. Thabo
8. Collison
9. Ibaka
10. Mullens – Still counts even if he is in the D-League.
11. Weaver?
12. White?
13. Shakur? – I seen that he is a restricted free agent. I’m not sure what Presti is doing with him.
14. Ollie – gone
15. Thomas – gone

If we trade or buy out Weaver, White and decline to sign Shakur we would have 5 open spots.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why I thought it was 14

Mullens is an albatross.

Everyone past spot 9 should be gone. I don’t want them.

Well, I’m not sure about Shakur. I honestly haven’t seen him enough.

Of course, I’m always up for trading Krstic.

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by ElectricPencils on May 10, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

1-9 solid, bye bye 10 and beyond. This includes you, Mullens.

Wouldn’t mind Krstic as a bench guy.

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just some reality

Lopez and Noah are both staying put.

The Suns are loving Lopez. He is their interior defense. All of it. So he ain’t going nowhere.

Noah was one of the main reasons the Bulls even made the playoffs. He ain’t going nowhere.

I’m also not as high on Scola as everyone else seems to be. Sure he is very good. But we get virtually everything he offers out of Collison. Now I will admit Scola is a helluva lot better on the offensive end, but he doesn’t really upgrade the defensive end much more, if at all. I think Collison and Ibaka play just as good, and often times, better interior defense. Plus, isn’t Scola already 30 something? So slow the ponies on Scola.

Ditto for Lee.

I’m still think they need to acquire Brendan Haywood, I can’t remember if he will be a free agent or not. Regardless I think we have the assets to land him either way. Now I know he would only be around for a couple years, but that’s perfect to me. He can come in and do his thing while Mullens and our project center we draft this year develop. I just think he is the best option with his size and interior play.

I do like the idea of getting McGee though.

I still think Bosh should be number one on our wish list, IF Stat doesn’t opt out in Phoenix.

All in all I think we need to sign a FA to help inside, and then continue to build through the draft. i actually like the idea of us drafting James Anderson with the 21st(or 26th pick if we trade the 21st). Someone mentioned him for the Bulls to draft, but I think we should get him ourselves. Then we can draft Jerome Jordan with the 26th if we still have it(or at 32nd) for our project center that we always draft.

I don’t see us moving up though. I don’t really see a player worth it, meaning I don’t think we would/should be willing to give up what would be necessary to move into the lottery. I really think we can improve through the draft simply drafting the best players available for what we need with our respective picks. I do, however, think we need to get rid of some of those picks. I say we draft 2, no more than 3, players. The rest should be traded for later picks, meaning picks in later years.

I just don’t think we need to persue trades, as I think we will certainly be courted by many teams because of all the “trade gold” we currently possess.

Just my two cents…

by NSU Stud on May 10, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I've never been big on Haywood.

Mainly because of his age (30 years old), and the amount I thought he would cost. Right now he is playing for Dallas for 6M. I’d be happy if we could acquire him for 6M or less. He will be an Unrestricted Free Agent.

I would be against selling picks as well. Trade them for valuable assets, future picks or stash.

Bosh would cost too much. Plus, I don’t like all the primaddona b.s. he is putting the Toronto fans through.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't anyone actually thinks we're going to get Noah

but it’s my offseason daydream, and you can’t take that away from me.

I like James Anderson. A lot of talk has been about bigs, but I still think we need a shooter.

And I’ll restate that I don’t like Bosh and don’t want him on our team.

Haywood and McGee are interesting options. I’ve mentioned Haywood before. Other hate him.

Is there anyone that everyone agrees on? Anyone at all?

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by ElectricPencils on May 10, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.. Noah and Lopez were wishful thinking...

but if you were a GM you would still try. Right?

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

you must like getting hung up on ;-)

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind it.

But with a handful of exceptions, there’s a price for everyone.

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by ElectricPencils on May 10, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever it takes!

Plus Lopez only played 51 games this season. I’m sure if the right situation came up, PHX would bite.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it would take Green as they need a long term answer at the 3 for Grant Hill.

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

are...

people high on Anderson simply because he’s from OSU?

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He IS a projected mid-first round pick

22.3ppg, 5.8rebs, 45.7FG%, 34.1 3pt%, 1.3stls.

I’d like to see him work on his assist to turnover ratio though.

And no, it doesn’t hurt that he’s from OSU.

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by ElectricPencils on May 11, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

2010 1st team All-American

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by daddydai on May 11, 2010 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

he can shoot the ball as well as anyone in the draft, IMO. His % will not impress you but thats b/c he was the #1 option for OSU last year. He likely will be much more of a spot up shooter in the NBA so his shooting % should be much better.

by ThunderHorn on May 11, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm...

well you guys make me feel better on picking him. Sometimes I just get nervous because local guys get a lot of love simply because they are local.

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by rickpidero on May 11, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade with Utah...????

So right now Utah owns the Knicks pick which if everything falls accordingly could end up being a top 10 pick.

There is some talk that they may look to package that pick with AK-47’s expiring deal to clear money to re-sign Boozer, maybe Korver and sign another big.

An interesting trade(not saying I would do this, but also not saying I wouldn’t) could be AK-47 and a top 10 pick(maybe top 5 if the ping pong balls bounce their way) for Jeff Green, Krstic(or Collison), some combo of picks and whatever filler is needed to complete the deal?

This could potentially land OKC the big man they will pair with Serge in the future, maybe Whiteside or Monroe if the pick is in the #6-#10 range. If the balls bounce their way maybe its a top 5 pick which could mean Cousins or Favors. AK could realize accepting the bench role will help him in the FA market next season. He comes in and does whatever is asked of him and plays a good role on the team next season and then OKC can work a sign and trade to get some good value from him or just both sides just part ways.

However, the downside would be you lose Green, maybe Collison and some picks. You could destroy the chemistry by 1) shipping Green out and 2) bringing in a potential cancer in. Not sure AK-47 would be too happy coming off the bench and KD may be somewhat unhappy with Green being traded. AK would be making 17 million and would take up all the remaining cap space to use to make some moves or signings. You likely cannot move him b/c of his ridiculous contract.

I know this is very, very, very far-fetched and out there but thoughts?

by ThunderHorn on May 10, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow!!! I had no idea how much AK got paid.

That’s a ridiculous amount of money.

This is a scenario that I’d be okay with. I’m usually dead set against trading Green, but AK and a top 10 pick sounds very enticing. I would have to insist that they take Krstic in return. Plus, I would not give up both 1st round picks.

I’d try this package Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, 26th and 32nd draft pick. The 26th pick would mean a cheaper contract for Utah. The 32nd draft pick is not a guaranteed contract.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

this leads me to a crazy scenario i had earlier today in my head

Green, Nick/Nenad, White, 26 for 6 and Sammy?

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

we have the space…it’s his last year. i think the kicker is 15% so basically 1.8 mil.

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be okay with it then.

I guess I’m tired of arguing on Green’s behalf, but I’d have to insist that they take Krstic. I’m not getting rid of Green and keeping Nenad.

They’d probably want our 32nd pick as well.

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by daddydai on May 10, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i said nick or nenad, honestly i think both are gone in a year anyway.

i like the idea of jumping up to a top 10 pick and going after a legit 4 who can score some on the block. i dont think Jeff is ever going to turn into that as he is a 3/6th man.

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

im not sure we would have to give up green since it is purely a salary dump for Utah.

by Michael Gleich on May 10, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

AK....

is a complete Knucklehead. I know we always talk about chemistry, but this guys is legitimately a dummy

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love all the offseason trade scenarios people put out there

It’s fun to debate them, but there’s no way I’d want to be the guy who had to pull the trigger on something like that.

Well, maybe I would.

It’s still really hard for me to consider giving up Green. Especially, just to get a higher pick and a salary dump.

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by ElectricPencils on May 10, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

ya...

i mean a semi-proven commodity for a complete uncertainty is a big stretch.

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some more options

Yiannis Borousis http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Yiannis-Bouroussis-118/
Timovey Mozgov http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Timofey-Mozgov-5161/
and
Alecs Maric http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aleks-Maric-593/
All are euro players. Now that Greece has financial problem, maybe they want to go to NBA.
or trade to NOH Stojakovic + 11th pick + 2 future 1st round picks for 26th pick + dj white

by gavingary on May 10, 2010 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

are...

you saying trade for Stojakovic? Pretty sure his old knees dont belong on this team.

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by rickpidero on May 10, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

 it is salary dump trade. Stojakovic is similar to Harpring. The 11 picks and future picks are the important ones.

by gavingary on May 11, 2010 12:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice thoughts ...

But I concur: Lopez isn’t moving for those pieces. Last year perhaps, but not now. Ditto for Noah. If we want him, well … so does everyone else.

JaVale hasn’t played as well as they’d like him to, but there’s a reason that rumor last offseason was shot down — he’s not going to be traded for a bunch of role players and unknowns, particularly given his attractive contract for a team that likes affordable contracts. It’s not impossible, but I’d just pin that as unlikely — much as I’d love for it to happen. Also, JaVale isn’t exactly going to be the type of interior defensive stopper you want to match up against the likes of Bynum.

by Spencer Pan on May 11, 2010 12:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Another trade idea....Memphis

This team lacks an interior threat and needs some size/length on D. Presti should make a play for Marc Gasol. Considering some of the idiotic deals the Grizzlies have made over the years I think the best idea would be to low ball them first.

Offer Green, Thabo, and the 26th pick for Gasol and the 30th pick. Thats likely turned down.

Offer Green, Maynor, and the 21st pick(or still the 26th pick) for Gasol and the 30th pick.

Grizzlies get their replacement for Gay, who they can try to work out sign and trades for.

Thunder get the inside scoring and defensive presence/length they need, and with picks 26(or 21), 30, and 32 they can address the backup PG and SF positions and draft a guy to stash in europe or draft a guy for the D-league.

by ThunderHorn on May 19, 2010 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a lot to give up for Marc Gasol.

2 starters and a first round pick?

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by ElectricPencils on May 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

this was brought up from a discussion in another site. ESPNs dailythunder blog.

Gasol was brought up and the initial post said trade Green, Ibaka, and both 1st rounders for Gasol and the #12 pick. Which I thought was way too much.

My proposal was Green, Thabo or Maynor, and the 21st pick for Gasol and the 30th pick. Which I thought was more reasonable, since we get to keep Ibaka, move back a bit in the draft, and get the big we need…while Memphis gets their replacement for Green they get either a defensive stopper or a PG that can push or replace Conley, and they get to keep their lottery pick to replace Gasol.

by ThunderHorn on May 19, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can...

we just sign Kwame Brown and trade him for Gasol?

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by rickpidero on May 19, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

for real. Grizzlies front office is worthless.

by ThunderHorn on May 20, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green, Sefolosha, and the 21st pick for Gasol seems about right to me.

by GoHornsGo90 on May 22, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

For Pau Gasol, sure.

Marc looks like a fine player, and I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but for 2 starters and a first round pick? No.

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by ElectricPencils on May 22, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He’s a legit 7-1, can score on in the post consistently, and is a legitimate 15-10 and 1-2 blks per game.

its a lot to give up but sometimes you have to give up talent to get talent.

Gasol instantly becomes the starter at center. He’s an upgrade over Krstic on both ends of the court.

The only concerns are his athleticism. He’s not as athletic as Pau, a little slow and plodding and lacking in lateral quickness.

The other concern is do you throw Ibaka into the starting lineup or do you start Collison and keep bringing Ibaka along. I’m not sure Ibaka is ready to be a starter yet. I’d prefer if he could be a 28-30 minute guy next year, and then perhaps enter the starting lineup in year 3, but nobody expected to contribute much last year either so he’ll likely surprise and be more than fine as a starter.

Would definitely have to think about it. I’d prefer to give up the 26th pick, and either grab Sanders/Alabi with the 21st pick and bring one of them along with the idea that Krstic is probably let go after his contract is up.

by ThunderHorn on May 22, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not disputing Gasol's talent

or that he’s a huge upgrade over Krstic, but we’re talking about our starting PF who averaged 15ppg, 6 rebs and .9 blks, while playing out of position AND our starting 2 guard who is also our lockdown perimeter defender AND a first round pick.

Seriously? Am I really the only one who thinks that’s way too much to give up for Marc Gasol?

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by ElectricPencils on May 22, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is

but guys with Gasol’s ability don’t grow on trees.

by ThunderHorn on May 22, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make any sense.

Marc Gasol isn’t a star player, let alone an elite player. At this point, he’s a pretty good player.

But just so I’m clear, you’re saying you would give up a player whose stats are already comparable to Gasol’s (even though he’s giving up 4 inches) PLUS the team’s lockdown defender PLUS a first round pick?

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by ElectricPencils on May 22, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m saying you have to think about making that kind of move b/c finding legit centers that can contribute on both ends is very hard to do. If they could get Gasol they’d have to definitely look hard at it, and also getting the #12 pick in this proposed deal which maybe lands you Greg Monroe.

Green isn’t the long-term answer at PF. Ibaka is the future at PF, IMO. He’s not a center. There is no guarantee that whoever they draft ends up developing. Mullens….don’t get me started. Also, how long does Sef last at SG if he can’t consistently hit open 3s? Especially so if Green moves to the bench and Ibaka comes into the starting lineup, the only consistent shooter would be KD and you’d need another guy out there to space the floor.

Also the original point was from a discussion on another site. Some of the posters were saying that the Thunder should go hard after Gasol and offer Ibaka, Green, and both 1st rounders for Marc Gasol and the #12 pick. IMO, thats far too much for that Gasol. Then you would sign David Lee and apparently be the 2nd best team in the West. I said that was stupid because David Lee is good but he’s a terrible defender and Gasol/Lee front-court would get obliterated by a healthy LA or Portland front court.

I said that Green, Sef, 26(or 21st) for Gasol and the #12. Still a lot but you get to Ibaka and still have 2 first rounders, 1 being a lottery pick where you might be able to get a Greg Monroe or someone like that. I would definitely consider a move like that. Monroe brings a similar attitude of Green but is bigger and would be a legit PF/C.

Not saying I’d say yes right away or at all but you have to think about making that kind of move.
 

My preferred scenario is to draft at least one of Alabi and Sanders, preferrably both and bring them along slowly like they did with Ibaka, maybe alternate them for sometime in the D-League. Eventually Krstic is probably let go, Collison moves on after the next contract and you end up with a lineup of:

Russ
Harden
Durant
Ibaka/Sanders
Alabi/Sanders

With the bench being Maynor, SG/SF, Green(who can give mins at both F spots), and Alabi/Sanders/Ibaka(whichever one isn’t starting).

IMO, both Green and Harden coming off the bench is unlikely. If Green goes to the bench that means Harden is starting b/c you’d need some shooting in the starting lineup besides KD.

by ThunderHorn on May 22, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a lot less when you consider that...

Most don’t expect Sef or Green to be starting in OKC two (or even one) years from now. Center is just such a vital position that you need to have one to be able to stay relevant in the West (especially against LA). It was so obvious how outclassed OKC was down low. Green and Gasol had similar point totals, but Green adds zero defense and low post scoring, lackluster rebounding, and is a height nightmare (for the Thunder).

BTW, I don’t understand why it’s a big deal to give up a draft pick in exchange for a huge need (and not a gamble, a bonafide player) this year. Two first rounders and essentially another with the 32 pick, that could be even more valuable because it’s not a guaranteed contract. Thunder are NOT going to have 4 draft picks signing next season. Why not juggle the picks effectively instead of drafting huge bust potential players like Alabi and Sanders?

by GoHornsGo90 on May 23, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you've read any of my comments

you’d know I’m all for giving up picks, either in a trade for a player or to move up. I just don’t want to give up a pick and 2 starters for Marc Gasol.

Pau Gasol? Sure.

Marc? No.

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by ElectricPencils on May 23, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are Green and Sef long-term starters for this team?

Green isn’t the long-term answer at PF. Ibaka is the future at that position, and if thats the case, Green likely moves to the bench as the 6th man(or is traded).

Green moving onto the bench probably moves Harden into the starting lineup to provide more shooting to stretch the floor.

by ThunderHorn on May 23, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sef...

needs to get those %‘s up if he’s going to be the starter at SG long-term.

31% from 3 during the regular season
23% during the playoffs.

If he’s going to be the bruce bowen of this team he needs to up that shooting to at least 40%. Most of his 3’s are going to be open looks so I don’t think thats asking much.

by ThunderHorn on May 23, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call Sanders...

a huge bust potential player.

I agree with Pencils. Thabo and Green are important pieces to this team. We’d be giving up to much just for Marc Gasol. I’d rather sign someone than give up those two.

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Seraphin, 26: Paul George, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 23, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

you still have to think about making a deal.

Gasol con contribute right away at center on both ends. There aren’t very many centers available in free agency that can contribute on both ends.

Green isn’t the long-term solution at PF.

If Green moves to the bench you have to move Harden into the starting lineup to provide some more shooting and to help space the floor.

by ThunderHorn on May 23, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

All that said

If its just for Marc Gasol that deal would die.

If its for Gasol and the #12 pick I’d only think about it if one of the big-name PF/C of the draft is available(Monroe, Whiteside, etc).

More likely I’d just stay put. This team is too young for a big move like that. If this team was right on the cusp of a title I’d be much more inclined to pull the trigger on a deal like that but, the only guys that have peaked as players are Collison and Krstic, nobody else is even close so its hard to say what exactly we have.

by ThunderHorn on May 23, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gasol and the 12th

for

Thabo, Green, and the 21st

is more reasonable. If that was the terms I’d probably do it, but I’d try to swap Weaver or White in first.

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Seraphin, 26: Paul George, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 23, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd make them take Krstic's salary, too

That being said, still would be hard for me to consider the deal.

Is Harden ready to start at the 2? He disappeared against the Lakers. Who is the back-up 2? Who is our scorer off the bench if Harden is starting?

And while many people will agree that Green “isn’t the answer” at PF, it doesn’t erase that he IS a starting PF on a team that won 50 games.. He could also be a starting SF on a lot of teams. Just because you don’t see him as our starting PF doesn’t diminish his talent and value as a player. “Oh well, I don’t think he should play PF for us, so let’s chuck him in a trade and not get value for him.” Doesn’t make sense to me.

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by ElectricPencils on May 23, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

how are we net getting value?

a legit 7-1 center that bangs in the post, and can contribute on both ends and is only 25 isn’t value?

by ThunderHorn on May 24, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...if we were trading him for JUST Green.

Not Green, Thabo and a pick. How are you not getting that? Are you Marc Gasol’s agent?

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by ElectricPencils on May 24, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

getting the #12 pick back, how are you not getting that?

by ThunderHorn on May 24, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know you’re a huge green fan but you’re definitely over-selling him and under-selling Gasol.

by ThunderHorn on May 24, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

draft picks

they aren’t going to draft 4 guys that come to camp. if they keep the picks they’ll like draft 2 to bring to camp, 1 to stash in europe, and 1 to send to the D-League(likely Latavious Williams).

by ThunderHorn on May 24, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you actually think Green

Compares to Gasol value-wise? It’s not even close. Nobody in the league would make that trade. Honestly, take off the glasses and think about it objectively.

And while I like most of what you are saying, ThunderHorn, Memphis is not trading for Green, Sef, and the 21st pick.

Think of it like this: Gasol has more value than Sef + Green. OKC fans may not think that, but it’s true. Green is a guy sans a position and Sef is a defensive player. Gasol is a potential star at the rarest position in the league. Plus he has above average height for that position, which is extremely important when competing in the Western conference. That means you are trying to trade the 21st pick for the 12 pick straight up, which obviously makes zero sense. Even if you somehow come to the conclusion that Sef + Green = Gasol, which I think is ludicrous, you are still trading 12 for 21 straight up. Why would Memphis do that?

by GoHornsGo90 on May 24, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

The first part of my comment refers to Electric.

by GoHornsGo90 on May 24, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine

You guys can make that trade. I’ve said all I’m going to say on it.

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by ElectricPencils on May 24, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

read my posts, where have I said I’d definitely make the trade.

its just discussion, are you Jeff Green, or his parents? Seems like you are personally hurt my this.

by ThunderHorn on May 25, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm Jeff Green and his parents, and it hurts me.

OR…

I just don’t see a reason to keep repeating the same thing. It’s no longer a discussion. It’s repetition.

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by ElectricPencils on May 26, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

IDK

I thought we were both making pretty good points the entire time?

by GoHornsGo90 on May 26, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You both have made good points.

But I don’t agree about trading Green and Thabo at this point, not for Gasol.

So, since neither party is changing their minds after being presented with each side, why keep saying the same thing?

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by ElectricPencils on May 26, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green

definitely compares to Gasol. Green is playing out of position here. If Memphis decides not to match whatever stupid contract Gay will be offered he’d immediately fill a big need for them. He becomes the 2nd best player almost instantly, maybe 3rd.

by ThunderHorn on May 25, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry...

That’s just not true. He doesn’t have an exact position. He is a combo forward. He was a PF in college. Obviously that is much harder for him in the League. Combo fowards by definition are going to be playing out of position, so you can’t use that excuse. There is no proof he will perform better as a 3, though I guess I would expect it to happen. It is conjecture. Gasol is far more valuable as a talented center.

And he’s certainly not better than Mayo or Randolph. I mean, not even CLOSE. If Memphis somehow actually thinks this, though, good. Because with them having Thabeet also, it would make this trade all the more possible.

by GoHornsGo90 on May 25, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indy needs a PG, right?

How about Maynor and the 26th pick for the 10th pick?

Then we could draft (10) Daniel Orton to eventually upgrade the 5 spot, and (21) Eric Bledsoe for back-up point guard. If OKC is not comfortable the guards available in the draft, Presti can sign Steve Blake as a back-up. That would allow the 21st pick to be used for other options. Perimeter shooting or stashing Seraphin?

Since Orton didn’t measure wonderfully (6’ 9.5" in shoes), we could draft Pittman with the 32rd pick for some extra sized insurance. Y’know just in case the 19 year old Orton doesn’t grow an inch or two in the next few years.

By the way, Orton must wear some thin-soled shoes. He measurement without shoes was 6’ 8.75". Is he trying to hurt his draft stock???

 (32) Dexter Pittman (or Jerome Jordan)

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Seraphin, 26: Paul George, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 22, 2010 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

not a bad move

but would rather not take Orton. Monroe may fall that low, Aldrich could as well. Would rather get either one of them before Orton.

by ThunderHorn on May 23, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would love Monroe, but I think he'll be gone before the 10th pick.

My opinion of Aldrich is slipping. I thought Cole was a solid 250 pounder, but he only measured at 236. Also he measured 6’ 9" without shoes and 6’ 11.25" with shoes. That’s a 2.25" increase. I don’t like my basketball players wearing platform pimp shoes from the 70’s.

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Seraphin, 26: Paul George, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 23, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahaha, I didn’t see Alridch’s measurements but if thats true than we should definitely pass.

by ThunderHorn on May 23, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow!

ok…so presti has said all along that the thunder are going to properly build this team carefully and wisely…he is not looking for a quick fix. ill try to keep this short: i vote that either this team makes the trade for peja + their lottery pick/ak + their lottery pick as our first choice. both of these contracts are only one year commmitments, you get two guys who can still reasonably play as solid bench players…they also become more attractive throughout the season for teams who miss out this offseason in free agency and r looking to make a splash n the next free agency…plus you pick up a lottery pick (a sure longterm answer at the 5 spot)…then look to move up again and pick up sanders.

pg-westbrook (backup maynor)
sg-sef, free agent, draftee (needs 2 b a defensive guy not offensive stud)(backup harden)
sf-durant (backup peja or ak)
pf-ibaka (backup free agent (maybe haslem?))
c-lottery pick (backup sanders)

thoughts? i could also see drafting an orton, anderson, or whiteside if they sleep then just drafting best player available whilst listening to all trade offers? thunder are sure to be bombarded with trade offers!
GOOOOO THUNDER!

by kpugh on May 28, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

what i meant...

is just the trade for peja OR the trade for ak….NOT BOTH
haha sorry reread my comment and it came across wrong ha

by kpugh on May 28, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't given much thought to Peja.

He had a couple of good games last year and might be a decent contract to pick up if a lottery pick was included.

What would you propose we include in this trade?

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Sanders, 26: Q-Pon, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 28, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

the draftee SG doesn’t need to be a defensive guy, we already have Seph for that. I’d rather get a pure shooter type, poor mans Steve Kerr anywhere?

I’m starting to get on board with the idea of Orton actually.

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by rickpidero on May 29, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. We have enough defense on the perimeter. The Thunder needs more scoring options.

I know I’m a homer, but I’m big on anyone from the OKC area (well maybe not J.R. Giddens and Darnell Jackson). The OKC metro has produced 4 possible lottery picks (Griffin, Udoh, Orton, and X. Henry) in the the past two years. I feel any of those guys will help our team.

I’m just curious if Orton’s game is raw, and if so how raw? I know many people say he is a project, but he’s been training for many years. Unfortunately, I’ve barely seen Orton play during college. So I have nothing to draw from. I guess I should of went to Bishop McGuiness to watch him in high school.

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Sanders, 26: Q-Pon, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 29, 2010 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Orton

Is one of the least ready prospects in the entire draft. His potential isn’t that high, and he was measured at less than 6’9" sans shoes. Let me repeat that. LESS than 6’9" for a guy who is supposed to be a high upside player and has zero offensive skills to speak of. He’s also overweight in a way that doesn’t necessarily benefit his game like it does Cousins. I have no idea why he would even be drafted, much less in the first round. I’d assume nobody who thinks he is/will be good actually saw him play at Kentucky (which is understandable, since he hardly played).

by GoHornsGo90 on May 29, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I just posted some footage of him playing on the most recent link post. That video changed my opinion of Orton completely. He seems to be below average athlete for the NBA. Now I’m really curious what will happen.

Loud City Resident - Barring trade, I see this happening:
21: Sanders, 26: Q-Pon, 32: Pittman or J. Jordan. 51: Greivis Vasquez
Concerning Bron, Bosh, and Boozer. I could care less.

by daddydai on May 29, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stoudemire and Evan Turner

Sign Amare Stoudemire, and trade our first 3 picks to #2 and pick up Evan Turner. The late 2nd rounder used to pick up a Euro stash for next year. Oh and sign KG and Green to extensions.

by oklahomapanther on Jun 2, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

If only it were that simple.

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by daddydai on Jun 2, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hooray

Another lackluster interior defender for the Lakers to tool with.

by GoHornsGo90 on Jun 2, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait, what?

you think any team would take 3 late picks for a top 3???!

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by rickpidero on Jun 2, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

another option to consider!

i was reading this morning and came upon a possible trade.

Three way trade with the Grizzlies and T-Wolves.

T Wolves get Jeff Green, Sam Young and cash
Grizzlies get Kevin Love, Kyle Weaver and the 21st pick
Thunder get Marc Gasol and the 15th pick

So that leaves the thunders draft picks as
15 Luke Babbitt http://www.nbadraft.net/players/luk
e-babbitt secondary pick Xavier Henry http://www.nbadraft.net/players/xav
ier-henry (Either could be the shooter that the Thunder need from deep but draft whichever is available)

26 Sell to the Cavaliers for 2 to 3 million (rumor has it they are wanting in the first round)

32 Jerome Jordan C Tulsa http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jer
ome-jordan(Can replace Krystic as Gasols backup if Mullens doesn’t pan out.)

51 Alexey Shved PG/SG Russia http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ale
xey-shved (Russian G with lots of upside, who can stay put in Russia and see how he developes)

Depth Chart would look like this:
PG Westbrook/Maynor
SG Sefolosha/Harden
SF Durant/Babbitt or Henry
PF Ibaka/Collison
C Gasol/Kristic/Jordan

However…i would suggest a slight alteration…instead of taking babbitt, i would either draft the best center available or then try to package the 15th pick with the 26 and try to move up even further to get someone like monroe. even if we sacrifice both first rounders in these moves, think of what we accomplish: we pick up a true, young, up n coming center in Gasol, we are able to pick up a lottery talent big to bring up behind Gasol (who can play the 4 or 5 mind you), and with our second rounders, we can look to add a scoring sf in the second and then possibly stash away a euro for a few years. if all pans out, we could be looking at a lineup such as this:

pg westbrook/maynor
sg sefolosha/harden
sf durant/ebanks, hayward, or pondexter
pf ibaka/collison
c gasol/monroe

with a lineup such as this, this young thunder team could not only make serious noise, but could shock the world n make it to the nba finals IMO! then once durant, westbrook, harden, etc see that presti is assembling a force to b reckoned with, they will sign for a little less to keep the team together and if that happens, DYNASTY.

thoughts? opinions?

by kpugh on Jun 8, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I like your second option better, but...

I don’t feel the Grizz are giving up Gasol that easily. Perhaps if the T-Wolves send their 4th to Memphis and we send the 21st to Minny. That seems more plausible.

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by daddydai on Jun 9, 2010 5:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm still opposed to sending Green away

but if Marc actually turns into Pau, it’s really hard not to want him on your team.

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by ElectricPencils on Jun 9, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That won't happen though

Pau is arguably the top PF in the game right now, at least offensively. Nobody can match what he brings offensively. He can post up, he face-up, can run the floor, and is a terror on the glass with his length. He’s also gotten tougher(using the term loosely w/ Pau) and can actually give you some very good D.

Marc won’t be a guy that can run the floor. He can pick and pop and face-up but I don’t think he has the skill or will ever have the skill that Pau has.

With Randolph going all drug kingpin on Memphis there is no way they let Gasol go. I think they are going to try to pair Gasol and Thabeet together.

by ThunderHorn on Jun 9, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here.

I think people are selling Green short. I’m entertaining the thought of trading Green, but I still think it is a bad idea.

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by daddydai on Jun 9, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

but with so many bigs with the potential, size, and rawness that this class has, wouldnt it be smart to go after someone like gasol, one of the more skilled big men in the league? you put someone like monroe or whiteside or even alabi behind gasol and groom them and let them develop, you can easily contend now and then when we start to hand out bigger contracts n extensions to our budding stars, you can afford to let gasol walk bc you will have a more polished monroe, whiteside, alabi, etc ready to take over! plus you pick up someone like bledsoe to backup point and a scorer late in the draft…all you lose in this deal is maynor! the grizzlies know that they will not be able to keep all of their players if they want to keep rudy gay this summer. i could see them pulling the trigger to keep cheaper talent and therefore being able to match an offer sheet for gay.

yes i do realize that you also lose green. but IMO green is much more expendable at this point. when trying to better your team thru trades, you spend what you dont need to gain what you do. when you have someone like durant running the three, you no longer need green. green is great but out of position at the 4. if you can go get someone like a marc gasol and a higher draft choice and fill in one of your greatest needs by letting go of a few peices that arent absolutely necessary, wouldnt you do it? just think of a front court that included the likes of monroe (or whiteside or aldrich, etc) plus gasol, ibaka, collison. you are able with your remaining picks to fill in your other needs: draft the likes of bledsoe and a player like ebanks in the second round.

thoughts?

by kpugh on Jun 9, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

What about...?

Thabo for Azubuike?

Thabo has brought a defensive mentality(along with Ron Adams) to this team. He’s been a key cog in that regard. However, his shooting is a HUGE liability. At a certain point his offensive abilities(or lack of) will out-weigh what he brings on defense.

Azubuike brings better shooting(41% for his career from 3). He also brings elite athleticism(38 inch vertical) and better finishing/slashing ability. He’s also got the ability to be a pretty good defender, and while at Kentucky under Tubby Smith was a very, very good on ball defender.

I don’t think we’ll see major major shakeups, like bringing in Al Jefferson or Marc Gasol. Or signing David Lee. This is something that seems like a Presti type move. Somewhat under the radar, no star power involved at all.

Thoughts?

by ThunderHorn on Jun 9, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

That is an interesting thought

I wouldn’t be totally opposed, even though I do like Thabo. I’m hoping he’s working on his shot this summer.

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by ElectricPencils on Jun 10, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping we got Azubuike last summer.

Perhaps we can offer the 32nd if there is some available that they like. Or some other scenario, I think KA is very attainable.

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by daddydai on Jun 10, 2010 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm...

same boat as you guys, wouldn’t be opposed. Really like the 32nd pick option, if it’s possible.

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