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What if we drafted....Larry Sanders? (Featuring Mat Shelton and Michael Hagan of VCURamNation.com)

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This is a feature that we'll roll out as often as possible leading up to the draft. Basically, we'll be taking an in depth look at some of the potential draftees for the Thunder, and asking questions of the people who know them best, the college blogs that cover them. Up first is Larry Sanders of VCU, and Mat Shelton and Michael Hagan of VCURamNation.com. Scott Schroeder of Ridiculous Upside predicted us to take him at #21, but NBADraft.net has him going higher, at #17. Regardless, he is a potential future Thunder player, so here's the 411 on Larry Sanders....

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Larry Sanders, #1, Virginia Commonwealth University

Season Team Min Pts Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF FG% FT% 3PT%
2007-2008 VCU 16.6 4.9 5.2 .1 .8 .3 3.0 2.8 .504 .456 .000
2008-2009 VCU 26.6 11.3 8.6 .4 2.1 .6 2.7 3.6 .510 .558 .000
2009-2010 VCU 26.9 14.4 9.1 1.0 1.7 .7 2.6 2.9 .534 .641 .250

Highlight Reel, Michael Hagan, VCURamNation.com

Q&A, Mat Shelton, VCURamNation.com

1. What type of player is Larry Sanders? Sanders is definitely more of a polished defensive presence at this point in time (two-time CAA Defensive player of the year). I think his post game could still use some work—he was shooting way to many outside shots early on, not going towards the basket when he wasn't catching alley-oops or getting the easy put-back dunks, but he's definitely headed in the right direction (he's only been playing organized basketball for 5 years, so all things considered...off to a GREAT start). Add NBA caliber coaches and an intense practice schedule, and I think the offense gets to where it needs to be. He's got extremely long arms (7'7 wingspan, the longest in college hoops this past season), so he can clean up on the glass and alters a ton of shots. Super athlete, will run the floor as good, if not better than any other 6'11+ player you'll find in the NBA. He's strong for his weight, but I imagine wherever he goes, step one will be adding more weight to that frame of his.

Below: Will Larry Sanders make it in the NBA? Will he be a good fit for the Thunder? Your favorite Larry Sanders Moment?

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2. Based on what you know, do you think he'll be an NBA caliber player? If so, who would you compare him to? The obvious (and overused) comparison is Theo Ratliff—similar builds, shot blockers, etc. For OKC fans I'd say he's a longer version of Serge Ibaka. I think his ceiling is much higher than those guys however, as like I've said before, he's still very new to the game, so to date....his learning curve has been pretty impressive. I think in the right situation, he could be a star—definitely fun to watch on both ends of the floor. No disrespect to OKC fans, but the Thunder currently start Nenad Kristic, and a 2 in Thabo Sefolosha who can't shoot. If they can play in the NBA, then yeah...Larry's definitely NBA caliber.


3. Based on what you know, do you think he would be a good fit for the Thunder? If there's one thing I witnessed in my first year as an OKC fan (shout out to Eric Maynor, VCU class of '09!), it's that OKC needs some serious help in the paint. IF, and that's a big if, Sanders would fall all the way to the 21st pick, they would be stupid not to take him. I really enjoyed watching this young Thunder team this past season, and would love to see a lineup with guys like Ibaka and Sanders controlling the paint. How do you get a decent shot off with those two guys in the paint? You don't.

4. Do you think Sanders will drop to pick #21, or do you think he'll go before that? I've seen Larry all over the board this past season, from lottery status, to as low as the 27th pick. I assume a few of those mock draft types know what they're talking about, so I don't think it's out of the question. With that said, the NBA is all about upside, and he's got lottery upside. So while I don't see him landing in that top 14, I think he goes 17 or 18, perhaps heading home to Florida to play for the Heat.

5. The Thunder are a very disciplined squad with a team mentality. Do you think Larry Sanders would fit into that type of environment, or would he be too wild or selfish? Larry had 16 games with single digit attempts this season, so selfish doesn't seem to come close to describing him in my opinion. Truth be told, I'd like to see him get a little more selfish. He'd fit in great with guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Maynor (who he's clearly pretty comfortable with already).

6. Do you want to see him unite with Eric Maynor on the Thunder to you have two VCU players on one team, or do you want him to go to another team to spread the influence around? We started VCURamNation.com just three years ago, and have been 2-for-2 in sending players to the NBA since we started shooting video of all the games (Eric, Larry, how about a little kick back for that?). I'm really just happy to have rooting interest in the league since the Spurs dropped the florescent colors (they should really bring back that blue, pink, and orange center court logo (Zorgon's Note: Yes!)), so I'm definitely happy wherever he goes. Both scenarios have their upside. If he lands in OKC, I only have to watch Thunder games, so my wife is happy. If he goes to say, the Heat, I've all of a sudden have a pretty serious interest in 3 teams during hoops season (VCU, OKC, Miami)...throw in my fantasy football, and I barely get to see my wife and kid. So while it would be cool to see "Sanders" on the back of another teams jersey, for the sake of my family, I hope he lands in OKC.

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7. What is your favorite Larry Sanders moment? (YouTube link if possible/applicable?) Larry gave me dap in front of a bunch of fellow classmates when I was in grad school, so that made me look kinda cool to a bunch of people...so that was a pretty cool moment. But on the court, his posterizing of Keith "Tiny" Gallon as my Rams destroyed ex-VCU Coach Jeff Capel's Oklahoma Sooners, felt pretty good. (seen here ... http://www.vcuramnation.com/2009/11/video-rams-spoil-capels-return-to-the-stu-upset-sooners/, 5:17 Mark, photo above, also seen at the end of the highlight video). His domination of George Mason in the 2009 CAA Final stands out as well. Broke David Robinson's rebound records for single game rebounds (19) and tournament rebounds. Also posted 18 points and 7 blocks in that game to really put him on the map.

8. In your opinion, what would be a best case scenario and a worst case scenario for Larry Sanders' NBA Career? Best case scenario is he lands in the right situation where he isn't buried behind some perennial All-Star, gets a chance to be a develop his offensive skill set, puts on a few pounds, and becomes the first (or second) ex-Ram to play in an NBA All-Star game. Worst case is he pulls a Blake Griffin and injures himself in his first season, then never catches up and ends up playing for the Globetrotters under the nickname "Sky scrapper".

9. Any other information you might want to include? I've really just enjoyed watching this young Thunder team (especially when Eric gets in and plays like we know Eric can), and I think he'd be a great addition to that squad if they're lucky enough to get him with the 21st pick. In one of our videos Larry said, "I may have a lot of tattoos, but I'm a nice guy", which I think pretty much sums him up. He's a super humble guy who clearly wants to get better, he's great with the fans, and will be an incredible addition to whichever team AND community is lucky enough to get him. Good luck to Larry Sanders AND the OKC Thunder, together or not.

Thanks again, Mat, for the in-depth analysis. So, what do you think? Is Larry Sanders a good pick or a bad pick? Will he even fall down to #21? Let us know by dropping a comment!

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Do you think Larry Sanders would be a good fit for the Thunder?
Absolutely!
193 votes
No, there will be better talent at #21. At #26, maybe.
16 votes
No, we need a completely different type of player!
9 votes

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This certainly does a nice job of selling him

My initial read was that he was too short, but the wingspan certainly makes up for it.

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm totally sold.

I have a penchant for shot blockers, but you can probably already tell that by my picture.

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by Zorgon on May 6, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I definitely think he’s a better fit than some of the other bigs whose names have been thrown around, Alabi, Seraphin, etc.

I think he’ll be game-ready quicker.

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also think he'd more solid...

and less likely to be slowed down by injuries. Sorry Alabi.

Presti should definitely trade up to secure Sanders.

I keep thinking to myself, if DeJuan Blair’s game is based on his length (6’6 with 7’2 wingspan) I’d love to see how Sanders pans out.

Also, the only active players with longer wingspan are Shaq and Mo Sene.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like we need to get Mo Sene Back!

:-D

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by Zorgon on May 6, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I overlooked Ajinca of the Bobcats. I think he is 7’8".

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

solomon alabi’s a legit center. we’ve got ibaka already who is lithe and needs to put on some weight to play center effectively, why take sanders? i’d take alabi for this team 10 times out of 10. larry sanders will get pushed around in the paint by opposing centers for a few years until he gains some mass.

by joov on May 6, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alabi just had knee surgery.

That’s a major red flag to me.

We just drafted a 7’1" project with Mullens. And Mullens at least is healthy.

Is there a major difference between their games?

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know Albi has much more experience than Mullens.

I just know Mullens has stayed healthy and Alabi hasn’t. So I would second guess drafting Alabi for his bulk when we have Mullens still developing.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

er. yes, there is. alabi is a center. he likes being in the paint, he blocks shots (without fouling. big key there…). byron mullens just finished shooting 46% from the field in the d-league, likes taking three pointers, and doesn’t want to get physical. alabi will do all these things, he knocks down his free throws, etc.

the knee surgery is why he will fall to a late round pick. we passed up some guy named dejuan blair because of injury concerns (along with the rest of the league) and boy would he look good in a thunder jersey right now. i like sanders but alabi’s a real center that can contribute much sooner. ibaka and sanders sharing a front court with durant would get eaten up alive in the paint at this level.

by joov on May 6, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be upset if we drafted Alabi either.

I just feel Sanders is a safer choice.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Alabi is much better than Mullens

I’m interested to see how he measures out though. I’ll take an athletic 6’10" over a fragile 7 footer.

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, no interest in alabi.

by Michael Gleich on May 6, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sanders should test well in the Draft Combine

If so, his draft will stock rise.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

he might not. if sanders is shorter than advertised his reach will end up shorter too. his wingspan is nice but meaningless as a big man compared to reach. if he only measures out at 6’8" for example even with that wingspan he won’t be longer than ibaka.

by joov on May 6, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

also if you look back last summer in all the pro type summer camps h dominated players like cole aldrich and his stock was super high coming into this year. His D was still there but the offensive progression was not was us VCU fans were hoping for mainly as Matt said because of his love early on for shooting jumpers. Sanders and Ibaka could be a heck of a block tandem.

by Michael Gleich on May 6, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

In fact other teams should be very afraid once Ibaka and Sanders (if drated by OKC) are patrolling the court. With their leaping ability, length, and quickness every game will be a block party. Especially when Ibaka and Sanders get a little more experienced.

I’m also big on Sanders because of his connections with Maynor. Our team is already a group of brothers, but Presti can make sure these guys will never want to leave each other. He just needs to keep the familiar connections coming.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do we consider Sanders' wealnesses?

Needs to work on offensive game and may be a little short?

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Dammit

*weaknesses

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've seen him listed at 6'11", 6'10", and 6'9"

I’m assuming he is growing and not shrinking. So if he is close to 6’11" I’m assuming he won’t measure much less than 6’10".

His weight has also fluctuated on different draft sites. He has been listed between 205 & 235lbs. It looks like his Draftexpress profile needs to be updated. They have him listed at 6’9" & 205lbs.

I’m not looking for him to score right away, but it appears he has an okay mid-range shot and an average big man FT shooting %. I do like the fact that he is willing to take perimeter shots even though that is not one of his strengths. It shows that he wants to expand his game.

I agree, Sanders will get pushed around in the paint until he beefs up. But I’d rather have healthy and growing player getting pushed around than an injury prone 7 footer. He will need a little time to polish his game, but I feel he will be less of a project than Mullens.

Here are some notes from Draftexpress.

Sanders has become a more prolific and efficient scorer this season, upping his per-40 averages by nearly 5 points, while increasing his 2-point percentages from 51 to 57%. His assist rate has nearly tripled, while his turnovers have fallen dramatically. He’s also fouling less, rebounding similarly and has improved his free throw percentage from 56 to 64%. As someone who only started playing organized basketball five years ago (in the 10th grade), it’s notable to see him constantly continuing to improve.

He sounds much like Ibaka, which isn’t a bad thing…

Running the floor is where Sanders might be able to contribute the most to an NBA team right off the bat. He has amazing speed in the open floor and is thus a terrific target for his guards to throw long outlet passes to in transition, regularly beating opponents down the court. Sanders is also an excellent finisher around the basket thanks to his length and quick leaping ability, ranking amongst the top players in the NCAA in this category according to Synergy Sports Technology.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm curious how he actually measures up physically

I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would bet he measures out at 6’ 10"

by Michael Gleich on May 7, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would too.

So worst case scenario, we’d have two 6’10" guys that weigh 235 in our front court. (Even though I heard someone recently say Ibaka is now 6’11")

Birdman, Camby, Noah, KG, Bosh, LaMarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard & Rasheed Wallace all came into this league with a similar frame. I think they did fine for themselves. In fact some of them never bulked up.

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by daddydai on May 7, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

if sanders is 6’10" and 235 he doesn’t last to our picks anyway. the only way we get sanders is if he doesn’t impress in predraft athletic testing. its a catch 22.

by joov on May 7, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

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by daddydai on May 7, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still think we make a trade anyway

Because we don’t need 4 draft picks.

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by ElectricPencils on May 7, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

people forget ibaka’s parents both played for the congo national team, serge was exposed to basketball from a very early age. most of his adjustment in the nba has been language and changes from international rules (offensive interference, defenses, narrow paint).

sanders is a good prospect. wouldn’t be upset if we took him but i’d prefer someone with better tools to play center in the nba if we go the big man route.

“I do like the fact that he is willing to take perimeter shots even though that is not one of his strengths. It shows that he wants to expand his game.”

it can also mean he’s petulant and doesn’t know his limitations. tyrus thomas is someone that’s had this problem his whole career.

by joov on May 6, 2010 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently Ibaka’s basketball upbringing wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. Especially since he had to wear cardboard in the soles of his shoes.

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by daddydai on May 6, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he's like the 3rd youngest out of 18

It’s not like his parents were out there giving him one on one instruction in the game.

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by ElectricPencils on May 6, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  


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