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Crazy Trade Idea Amended

Utah wants to match on Millsap and they want to dump Boozer.  The talk earlier this week was something like Tyrus Thomas and i wouldnt give up a player of that caliber but if Utah is really that desperate to move Boozer to save the money why couldnt we take a shot of giving them Nick and maybe an upside case like Mullens to bring in an all-star for 1 year who can help teach our other big men how to get the job done in the nba, draw pressure off of Durant and by causing double teams create lots of open looks for Durant, Green, Harden and even RW0.  I am not saying i would look to lock Boozer up long term, but what a move like this does is clear space next summer, and give us a HUGE trade chip at the deadline.  What it also does is shows KD that Presti is committed to surrounding him with talent that can help this team develop while also seeing what it can do to win currently.

 

Now from the Utah side i am certainly not arguing that this is a fair deal on talent.  what this does give them is someone to take Millsap's role while Millsap moves up to take the Boozer minutes and save approximately 13 million in salary and luxury tax costs.  the only way for them to dump salary like boozer without taking equal back ironically enough is to get a team like us involved because we are the only ones with significant cap space left since memphis will be using most of theirs on randolph and atlanta resigned bibby and needs to do a deal with Marvin Williams.

The minutes breakdown would look similar to what was talked about when we were discussing making a move for Millsap with Green getting about 16 behind Boozer and 10-12 behind Durant.  Only problem with a move like this is we probably dont have a backup 5 that would be ready to play this year, though with how the league is against many teams boozer could guard the 5 man for 8-10 min a night and we go with a Westbrook, Harden, KD, Green, Boozer lineup.

Watson and Atkins for Camby would also be lovely but it appears that the clips want real value for marcus right now.

 

Update:

In responding to Sammy i had a thought sparked in thinking about teams that were looking for post players and had been rumored to be in trade talks.  One of those teams was GS who has been talked about with Amare and Bosh who we all know are both going to test the market next summer just like Boozer, so would they have interest in Boozer?  The asking price for Amare has been too high because it appears PHX has been demanding Curry as part of the package with Biedrins.  To me a package of Wright, Biedrins, Bellinelli and Curry is way too much for Amare especially when he is going to opt out.  So this brings me to a different take on a boozer deal we are involved in that actually can make us better long term without stunting Green for this year.

Utah gets Collison, Bellinelli/Wright

OKC gets Biedrins

GS gets Boozer, Mullens/DJ White (replace wright as a project big man, dj being less project than Mullens)

The Mullens/White could go to Utah i presume and Belinelli could come here.  If both Mullens/White and Bellinelli go to Utah they still get 3.5 million in savings which nets to a 7million dollar total counting luxury tax while adding a shooter that they need, a rebounder to take Millsap's role and an upside low wage big.

This deal could net Utah basically the same, but with either Bellinelli or Wright get one with more experience and can choose between the shooter or the potential shot blocker.  GS gets a shot to get their post presence to surround Ellis, Curry and Azubike along with Randolph to make a run for basically just Biedrins who they can fill with Wright and Turiaf the way nellie plays.  GS not only keeps Curry, but also Brendan Wright or Bellinelli who were rumored in the PHX deal to the point GS could kick in cash to Utah.  We get our Center which while probably overpaid is underpaid compared to market averages and can be our rebounding and shot blocking presence.  Maybe this deal is even crazier than the last one but i think all teams involved get what they need out of it.  This is a move that while it is a long term commitment to Biedrins is worth the 3 mil more than nick the next two years and waiting on the potential of Mullens or White (i would try Mullens first).

This post does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of Welcome to Loud City or SB Nation. However, it was made by one of the members of the Welcome to Loud City community, so there is a large chance the above post is extremely ballin'!

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Hmm...

I see what you’re saying, but doesn’t Boozer play the 4? So, are you wanting to bring Green off the bench?

And if we just keep him for the year, do we move Green back into the starting line-up next year? I would think it might stunt his growth to go to the bench for a year.

by ElectricPencils on Jul 13, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

if he is still playing the same 28-30 minutes a night i dont see it stunting his growth at all. My assessment of Green is that in the end he is probably a great 6th man more than a starting 4 in this league.

This argument is no different then the clamoring for millsap if the price was right as they both played the 4 as well. Whether Green becomes the starter next year again would all depend on what other moves Presti makes through the draft or FA.

this idea came to me partially because of something i read this morning concerning presti and his worries over KD because with the 2010 contract discussions he can choose to go the Danny Granger route and lock in for 5 years or go the Lebron, Wade, Bosh route and only sign for 3 which would make him a 25 year old UFA with probably a few all-star spots under his belt.

Another bonus i see with the boozer move is if we bring a player of his caliber and show that with an added piece this team is a playoff team not even counting the draft picks next year and develop of our players as they get older we would become even more attractive to free agents if we want to go that route. Losing 7 mil in cap commitments is a bonus as well.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 13, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you

Just wondering where you stood. I was not that gung ho about bringing in Milsap, but it seems a lot of people are content to move Green to the 6th man.

I have no problem giving up Collison, Mullens, or White in return for Boozer.

by ElectricPencils on Jul 13, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know u arent

they are all valid concerns…i do wish that we had someone in house i felt was able to replace collison at the backup 5 or boozer/green were more able to play at least some nights in that role. i think a year or two ibaka could because of his arm length no so much his height but right now he is not strong enough or big enough weight wise to compete down there at the 5.

My problem with Millsap was never about his game but about the amount of money and length of the deal…i would have been willing to pay him more per year for short term deals, just didnt want to lock him in for 5 or so years because we have so many of our own guys to lock up. Also i am still hoping for a couple of bigs in the lottery next year or a big and evan turner.

I also found it interesting that Presti has said already that he believe Harden will at least start the year coming off the bench. If we had a 2nd unit that included Livingston, Harden and Green i think it might actually help Green in some ways because he wont be differing as much to KD in the scoring department. I do think that is one thing a lot of people miss when they fall in love with these per min averages of bench players is none of that tells you when in a game they were playing or who else was on the floor at the time.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 13, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

This seems unneccessarily short-sighted.

Why would Bennett agree to pay an extra $6m for one year of Carlos Boozer? Why would Presti agree to trade away a potential long-term rotation player for a player that would provide no value after this year? Boozer would not help to sell more tickets; the Ford Center is pretty much sold out every night as it is. His addition would not translate into a championship run. Maybe Boozer could teach Jeff Green somethings about post play. Would that be more or less valuable than giving Jeff Green 35-40 minutes instead of the 25 or so he would notch with Boozer on the team? I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s worth $6m and Mullens to find out.

by sammy on Jul 13, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

BJ Mullens at best is 3 years away from being a real rotation player so if that is your sticking point then there are other issues. As for your 6 million as i said you save 7 next year by dumping nick’s deal a year early and it would actually work out to less than 5 if mullens was involved for this year.

Arent you also one of the ones who was championing the Paul Millsap move that would have blocked green for 4-5 years once your boy Gortat was off the market? Also when you want to talk about value beyond this year think about what a 12.5 million dollar expiring contract on an all star caliber player is worth come trade deadline time. if we cant get something of more value out of that than BJ Mullens then there are other issues as well. I mean Presti turned Kurt Thomas taking and going into 3 1st rounders, im sure we could get 1 for Boozer from a team looking to get over the top for a title but not be on the hook long term. A team like Chicago for instant immediately comes to mind since they were involved in this talk to begin with. Hell we could just be the 3rd team in the deal for all i care and never end up with Boozer.

Also on your assessment of stunting Green…did it stunt Millsap to learn from and play behind Boozer for the last couple years?

Like i said crazy idea but to save 7 million in a year i would give up Mullens and acquire a trade chip who can show Durant this team is committed to helping him win cause that is the real point here.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 13, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I was never a big proponent of signing Millsap.

I did come around to understanding the logic of the move, but I was pretty relieved when we started getting signals that Presti was gonna pass. Millsap makes more sense to me than Boozer because Millsap is a long-term solution to the 4, cementing Green a role on the bench. Regarding value for Boozer’s expiring, I’m not so sure his contract would be easy to move. Any team looking to trade for him would need to give up equal salary or close to it in return. What are you expecting to get back in exchange for shedding his contract? And I never said Boozer would stunt Green; I’m just saying it’s not clear he would help Green either.

Here’s how I see it.
What you get:
a. Boozer’s production for one half to one full year
b. ~6m in cap space next year
c. Potential that Green blossoms under Boozer’s tutelage
d. Opportunity to deal Boozers 12m expiring by the deadline this year.

What you lose:
1. Mullens’ team-controlled years
2. ~6m in cap space this year + potential additional savings if Collison’s contract is dealt early
3. Potential that Green blossoms with more minutes.
4. Opportunity to deal Collison’s 2010-2011 expiring either this year or next.

by sammy on Jul 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

i amended the deal to have boozer go to GS and Biedrins come here as an idea

i think that addresses the green concerns is a long term solution to our center issues is more than worth 1.5 mil this year and 1 mil in the added salary this year and when you look at the ridiculous salaries big men are getting 9 mil for a double double 1.5 blk center is cheap especially since his contract is flat year to year. also allows green to develop and play starters minutes this year hopefully progressing to about an 18 and 8 clip while Ibaka and Kristic would be more than capable backups for the minutes and it allows us to still look at a player like Greg Monroe out of Georgetown in the draft next year as a player who can play both the 4 and the 5, especially if Nenad were to opt out.

Gortat will make 34 mil over the next 5.
Biedrins will get 45. for 2 mil a year i would take biedrins.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 13, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take Biedrins over Gortat also

but GS doesn’t make that deal. They trade Biedrins if they get an offensive force like Amare back and then only if they can lock Amare to a long-term extension. I suppose you could make the stipulation that GS can work out an extension with Boozer before hand also, but Boozer doesn’t fit GS’ system nearly as well as Amare does. FWIW, I don’t think Utah does that deal either. If they’re balking at the Chicago deal because Chicago won’t include Ty Thomas, I doubt they would settle for Collison/Wright.

by sammy on Jul 13, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont get the ty thomas hype

lets compare numbers not names…
Ty thomas in 28 min a game
10.8pts 6.4reb 1.9blks 45% shooting.

Brendan Wright 18 min a game
8.3 pts 4reb .95 blks 53% shooting

now the prorated numbers which im not big on but whatever.
Thomas per 40
15.8pts 9.3 reb 2.7 blks PER 15.95
Wright per 40
18.8 pts 9.1 reb 2.1 blks. PER 18.77

which player were u saying was better again? So Utah wouldnt do the Chicago deal without Thomas, says nothing about whether they would do one that got them Brendan Wright, completely different topics. all that tells me is they want an athletic young big who can block some shots, which Wright fits the bill there.

As for GS. Saving steph curry and bellinelli is certainly a bigger gain than whatever loss you might consider b/w Amare and Boozer. If you mean GS system in that Amare likes to dunk more then fine he fits better, but lets not act like Boozer is a stiff that cant run the floor. The NBA is not MLB there are no negotiate contract extension windows in trades so they wouldnt get a guarantee with Amare or Boozer other than Amare has directly said he will be opting out to test the market. Oh and it was reported less than a week ago that Amare needs more eye surgery.

Like i said maybe nobody would do it, but it is better than anything that is out there at the moment for any of these clubs. Utah avoids taking a loan to keep Millsap as Pencils reported there, get a solid 4/5 backup, Millsap becomes there starter and get every bit the player Ty Thomas is in Brendan Wright and Wright is even lefty for good measure.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 14, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I think Presti does the trade in a heartbeat.

Boozer may not be a stiff, but I think he fits much, much better in a controlled half-court scheme than the crazy circus they run in GS. The Amare deal might be dead because of the various hang-ups (more surgery, unable to negotiate a sit down with Amare’s agent pre-trade), but Amare’s a player GS has long coveted; I don’t think they’re panicking to improve their front-court at any cost.

Regarding Ty Thomas, yeah, I’m not that high on him either but a lot of scouts/GMs are. The thinking is he’s stuck playing for a Bulls team that refuses to give him the looks he deserves, so whatever. Wright, on the other hand, is seen as a quintessential GS player: no defense and inflated offensive numbers because of the pace. Not saying these assessments are right; I haven’t seen either of them play enough to offer judgement.

by sammy on Jul 14, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a link

to a story saying Utah would have to take out a loan to sign Millsap.

http://www.realgm.net/src_wiretap_archives/60554/20090714/jazz_would_have_to_take_out_loan_for_millsaps_$103m/

I wonder if that would affect their decision to keep him.

by ElectricPencils on Jul 13, 2009 11:41 PM CDT reply actions  

i actually like GS, OKC, Utah deal

It does make a lot of sense. Boozer is very capable when healthy. Granted he isnt going to get Amare’s points numbers, but he will make up for it on the glass. The only snag I see is that Boozer really does not play thier style. Sure you can say anyone can run and gun but thats not true. As far as inside, I say its a wash between Amare’s higher point total and Boozer’s board advantage. The difference is Amare has phenomenal range for a guy with his size and strength, which lends itself to the run and gun style Nellie plays. But if that can be over looked for the money savings then I think it is a good deal for everyone. Utah gets thier space both financially and on the court to play a young stud, GS gets a great “starish” player, and we get a guy I’ve liked for awhile. Truth be told GS is the only “loser” in this trade. But who knows, maybe Boozer will love and adapt to the run and gun style and like being in CA as well and stay. I dont think its all that crazy. Unlikely, but not crazy.

by NSU Stud on Jul 14, 2009 1:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Would love to have beans for Collison and Mullens/DJ.

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
And no one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike
You know it's thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for life inside a killer, thriller tonight

by blackvanilla on Jul 14, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

HA

This offer from Miami is making my offer look good for Utah.

Haslem and Dorrell Wright for Boozer. Collison and White/Mullens is much better than that, also cheaper for a team looking to cut costs for this year so badly.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

one difference

we are in the west with utah…miami is in the east….plus miami is offering a pf and guard/forward instead of two power forwards…i dont think mullens is going anywhere

by NSU Stud on Jul 16, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

just because it says SG doesnt make him a guard. when u shoot 22% from 3 in your career the word shoot should not be in the description of ur position. not to mention he makes 2.8 mil. the point for utah is to save money and paying 9.9 million to those 2 vs 12.5 to boozer doesnt do that. besides, white mullens or brendan wright with the GS deal have significantly more upside than wright does.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

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