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Pleading His Case: Serge Ibaka

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The Oklahoma City Thunder finished out play for the Orlando Pro Summer league on Friday, and I came away with several thoughts. The three biggest things I walked away from the OPSL thinking were Russell Westbrook is already too good for Summer League, James Harden was a phenomenal choice that improved this team the instant his name was announced, and Serge Ibaka is pleading his case to cross the pond this year. The biggest surprise of those three to me is the last, so for that reason, he's going to be the focus of this post. If you watched the summer league games from Orlando, you probably already know about this kid, but if not, take a minute and read the paragraph below for a little background on the kid from the Congo before making the jump and see why he is pleading his case to join the Thunder for the 2009 Season.

Serge Ibaka is a 19 year old (will turn 20 before the 2009 season) power forward from the Congo. He was drafted by the Seattle Sonics with the #24 overall pick in the 2008 NBA Draft. He spent last season playing overseas for Ricoh Manresa of the Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto (ACB), which is the premier basketball league of Spain. In 31 games last season for Ricoh Manresa, Ibaka averaged 7.1 points, 4.5 rebounds, and 1 block during his 15 minutes of playing time per game. Although they don't look it, those are pretty impressive stats, especially when you consider he was so productive in just 15 minutes per game. So lets say he were to have played 30 minutes per game, it would probably be a good bet that he would have finished with something like 10-15 ppg, 8-10 rpg, and with a couple blocks, not bad production at all. But how did he do in this weeks summer league? Were his numbers better than those from overseas? Did he put himself in position to become part of the Thunder this season? Make the jump to find out...

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Serge Ibaka

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Sep 18, 1989



FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF Points
  OPSL - Serge Ibaka 4 89:26 19 28 67.9 0 0 0 11 17 64.7 3 10 13 2 7 4 6 17 49

In four summer league games with the Thunder, Ibaka averaged 12.3 points, 3.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 1 spg, 1.5 bpg, in 22 minutes per game of playing time. Those numbers, if translated into 48 minutes would look like 26.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 1.1 apg, 2.2 spg, and 3.2 bpg. Those are pretty impressive numbers, which of course wouldn't be nearly as high against everyday NBA competition, but that's beside the point. The point is, that he's playing even better than most expected him to during the week of play. When people refer to Ibaka, its usually followed by the term "Raw" when describing his talent and ability to play the game of basketball. What we saw during this week was a much more refined basketball player than we expected to see.

For a player of his size (6'10"), he ran the court unbelievably well, I mean seriously, this guy can run up and down the floor with guards and not lose a step. That's a tremendous asset to have at the power forward position, especially for a young team that has already shown how much it enjoys to run the court. Ibaka, if he continues to progress into what very well could be our power forward of the future, might be the perfect running mate for Russell Westbrook on fastbreaks for years to come. Both are tremendously quick and very explosive, which during fast breaks will combine Ibaka's tremendous leaping skills, and ability to finish above the rim with Westbrooks ability to draw attention and toss up a pass for an easy two points. Sure, Westbrooks assists totals during his rookie season left a lot to be desired, but with a few more years at the position under his belt and guys like Ibaka running the floor with him, those totals could skyrocket into double digit averages as this team continues to grow and evolve with more threats and greater dimension on the offensive end.

But that's not to say that he isn't equally as valuable on the defensive end. In those extended 48 minute totals above, he'd average just over 3 blocks, and 7 rebounds per game. In all honesty, the blocks total is more impressive than the rebounding total, but as he continues to learn and grow (and hopefully bulk up just a bit) those rebounding totals should go up. He's got a tremendous wingspan that he'll be able to use along with his atheleticism to annoy defenders on a regular basis. If he does add say 10-15 pounds of muscle over the next year or so, he could really become a major defensive presence in the middle for this young Thunder team. The biggest question mark there is, can he maintain his unbelievable hops and quickness with another 10-15 pounds of muscle on his body. Who knows, but if it gives him the ability to be more physical in the post, its worth looking into.

While his spot on the Thunder next season wouldn't be a major role, it could be entirely beneficial for his development. First off, the Thunder will play 82 games compared to just the 30 or so that he would play overseas. Secondly, he was only averaging 15 minutes per game last season, and the Thunder can easily match, and maybe exceed those minute totals, depending on how they use him in the rotation. Even if its only 15 minutes a game, during an 82 season, he'd be able to advance far more here than he would overseas. Reason being he'd still be more than doubling his playing time even though his minutes would be the same, because of the season length in the NBA compared to the ACB. It would also give him a chance to begin developing that rapport and trust with his teammates while they are all still young and developing together. It could also allow them to get him even more playing time by moving him back and forth to the Tulsa 66ers to take those minutes and put them to about 35 in an attempt to further his development.

All in all, Ibaka has been impressive, and although he's still a work in progress, I assure you the Thunder scouts are going to be working overtime during the next week (Las Vegas Summer League) to get a better idea of where exactly Ibaka is, and whether or not they are ready to bring him to the NBA and the Oklahoma City Thunder. In fact, perhaps Ibaka is the reason the Thunder haven't been active in free agency, as maybe they would like to decide on Ibaka first before making any commitments to free agent big men. I'm curious to see how other Thunder fans feel about Ibaka coming to OKC this season, and whether or not we may be looking at our future at Power Forward now.

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Took me long enough eh?

From before my vacation and still ongoing I’ve just been busy as hell. Ridiculous, so ready for things to slow down already!!!

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

as long as it does in time for the season...

not to mention the offseason after vegas will slow down some til camp opens in what September?

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

What the hell are we supposed to write about during all that time? Especially if we don’t make any free agent signings. Geez, gonna be rough.

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

…and what argument? Did I miss a post?

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was in loud links last night i think
when the offseason started i was pretty set with him going back to Europe to play for another year but the more i think about it the less i like that plan. Part of the reason has been his play in Orlando and we will see if that continues in Vegas, but the other part of it is if the thunder keep him here they get to dictate his development not to mention if he is only playing 15 min a game overseas then if he is playing 10-15 min a night here it is not hurting his development and if they send him to the D-league for the beginning of the year he can gain confidence dominating down there and plenty of playing time as well to be here for the last 2/3rds or 1/2 of the year.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

but clearly you took it further because you werent lazy like i was and added the stats to it. the only stat from orlando and watching the game was the lack of rebounding and in what i saw with that crappy video was more a lack of positioning than a lack of will unlike a guy like mullens. If positioning and even strength is the problem those can be worked on.

any chance we bring in a big man coach to work with guys like Ibaka, Mullens, White and even Uncle Jeff or is that what they want Mark Bryant to do?

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If its lack of position only..

That is easily solved. I hear that they are bringing over one of his Spanish coaches for the Vegas Summer League. Wonder if he’ll improve with greater understanding / less of a language barrier.

Its also cool that he’s already working hard at learning English…also I’m thinking the only reason Moses Ehambe was invited to Summer league was to communicate with Ibaka.

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldnt worry about the language thing. dont know if you heard this but he learned spanish in 3 months being there last year and i dont mean like our HS/College learn, he became fluent, so if he stays here by Halloween he will know English and if that’s the case he will know the basketball necessary things in a couple weeks.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would guess...

that he already knew French (a commonly used language in his area of Africa), and he simply connected the dots between the two Romance languages. English will be a little tougher.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the two are not that different from English. the difference in English is just the simple fact that we have so many other ways to say the same damn thing. he will certainly know everything he needs in English b/w now and October.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post

I think those of us who watched him in Orlando saw some real potential coming through.

I would take 12 points, 8 boards and 2 blocks per game from him.

by ElectricPencils on Jul 11, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

…and that’s really just the jumping off point. Think about the kind of numbers he’ll be putting up a few years from now. Especially if he bulks up and becomes more physical while maintaining his current level if athelticism. Scary good potential.

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 2:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

those are the numbers he can put up in a yr...yr and a half not next year.

later down the road there is no reason he cant be 15 10 and 3. im thinking like a theo ratliff with more offensive moves to come up with a comparison. the kemp comparisons are too early, but no reason he cant approach it later down the line.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, the main point is, he can get there faster with the Thunder than he can in any European league, and if we don’t sign another big man, it should be a no brainer.

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to Inside Hoops
InsideHoopsOklahoma City Thunder sign guard James Harden, center BJ Mullens and forward Serge Ibaka

by ElectricPencils on Jul 11, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

haha

i repeat what i said last night. teams are waiting for vegas to sign all the rookies. 13 had signed as of last night and with this at least 6 today.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I credit WTLC

They saw our argument and decided, what the hell? :p

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Presti is a regular here.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

Nice to know. Go trade for Camby.

by ElectricPencils on Jul 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he was Pencils.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Maybe we should get him to write for the site since he’ll have all kinds of inside info :p

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Do you really want to almost 8 Million for 1 season of what? Not letting Krstic try to regain his form?

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Honestly, some of these players I’m not as familiar with. I spent the last year traveling around the country, so the only time I got to see Thunder ball was when I was visiting family in Oklahoma.

To me, Camby brings a veteran presence that can be used as a trade chip. It’s not my 8 million bucks, and if we’re not using it on anyone else, why just let it sit there for a year?

by ElectricPencils on Jul 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would trade Collison and Atkins for Camby to let camby be the better teacher for ibaka on defensive presence not to mention we are out a year early on nick’s deal. also i have said watson for haslem cause he can bring what nick does and be gone after next year to really let ibaka and white step up until next year’s drafted bigs (hoping) are ready.

And as pencils mentioned with Camby and i believe would also be true they are both trade chips at the deadline ala Kurt Thomas.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind...

drafting Mullens at #25, don’t mind it at all. Its not like the other 7 footers we wasted picks on much EARLIER in the draft as our first choices for said drafts. So not only at #25, but at #25 with our 2nd pick. I think its worth the chance of him becoming a solid contributor down the road. Who knows. Kid did impress “at times” during the OPSL.

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still

would’ve rather taken Blair.

by ElectricPencils on Jul 11, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this...
Ibaka, if he continues to progress into what very well could be our power forward of the future, might be the perfect running mate for Russell Westbrook on fastbreaks for years to come. Both are tremendously quick and very explosive, which during fast breaks will combine Ibaka’s tremendous leaping skills, and ability to finish above the rim with Westbrooks ability to draw attention and toss up a pass for an easy two points.

And so does Ibaka…

“[Westbrook] plays really hard, he likes running, just like he does. He loves playing with a point guard that runs the floor with him. He loves having a point guard like Russell Westbrook.” Just in case that wasn’t enough, Ibaka interjected, “I’m very happy my team point guard Westbrook.”

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice to know

that Ibaka has the same thoughts as I did. lol

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love that someone

…voted no AFTER we put up a fanshot on the front page stating he got signed. LMAO. Some people just love to go against the grain. Hey I’m generally one of them, but not in situations like that. LMAO.

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

There is a lurker problem

there’s 39 votes, but it’s like the same 5-6 people who post and comment.

Alright, who voted an extra 30 times?

by ElectricPencils on Jul 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually in scanning it is jut 4 of us i think: pencils, Mr. P, 4D and me.

i think it was Mr. P who kept voting to make it look better before any of the rest of us voted…lol.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. P does have mutiple personalities.

He did claim to be Presti a few minutes ago.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

…all that and I have the ability to alter the vote talley :p

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vegas Summer League

The announcers mentioned that Westbrook and Harden just entered the gym. Then went on to discuss how Harden is a favorite to win ROY.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Ha!

Vaden is sitting next to them, but they failed to mention him.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

They probably...

didn’t know who he was :p

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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 11, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought russ wasnt playing in vegas

or at least he wasnt on the roster when i looked yesterday.

i still say that blake and steph curry due to their situations have a better chance to be the ROY while Harden may have a bigger impact outside the stat line.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

but I heard a report that he might play at least one game.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

We mentioned this yesterday

NBA CHAT WITH YANNIS

Welcome everyone! I’m coming live from courtside at Cox Pavilion in Las Vegas. It’s been a very busy first two days with a lot of great action. Let’s get to it.

The Mullens vs. Thabeet match up is one that I have been eagerly awaiting since I’ve touched down here in Vegas on Friday but honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it consists of more fouls and turnovers than great action. This is a tough setting for a big man to succeed in and both Mullens and Thabeet are still very raw at this point. Sam Young and James Harden will be better to watch, I’d expect Harden to come out ontop. He was stellar in Vegas and while I love Young, Harden’s the better talent.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

4D or anyone else

i have never followed the d-league transfer rule closely, but are there any restrictions if you own the rights to the player as we would with White, Mullens, Ibaka, even Weaver if we send them there on the number of times they can go back and forth or the amount of time they would need to be in either spot before being sent the other way.

by Michael Gleich on Jul 11, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

The screen is much smaller...

so the resolution looks a little better on the justin.tv feed.

The NBA feed screen is roughly twice as big. The NBA also allows the ability to watch any previously played games.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also the NBA feed

is a couple seconds quicker than the other feed.

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by daddydai on Jul 11, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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