Loud Links: Oklahoma City Thunder News for July 1, 2009

Here is some more summertime Oklahoma City Thunder info. The Celtics decline Leon Powe, but are considering Robert Swift. Wilkins will be returning next season. Presti seems to have an interest in Paul Millsap, Marcin Gortat, and David Lee. Moses Ehambe a forward from the 66ers has been working out with the team. The Trailblazers seem close to signing Turkoglu. The Pistons are seeking to add Gordon and Villanueva to their team. The Thunder are ranked the 57th best sports franchise by ESPN.
Leon Powe is Unemployed - TrueHoop By Henry Abbott - ESPN
What does it say when a player like Leon Powe, a great human being, who played through injury and pain for three straight years for the Boston Celtics, including in a playoff game after tearing his ACL, is rewarded by the team saying to him "we only have a short window to win, and you are not a part of our plans because you are now injured."
Damien Wilkins returns to Oklahoma City Thunder - ESPN
Wilkins' agent, Mark Bartelstein, said in an e-mail Tuesday that the guard would not terminate the player option on his contract. Wilkins averaged a career-low 5.3 points last season as he fell out of the rotation and played in only half of Oklahoma City's 82 games. Before then, he had been a regular in the lineup during the franchise's days in Seattle. He played in every game for the SuperSonics over a two-year span and averaged 9.2 points in 76 games in the team's final season in Seattle.
Blic Online in English | Krstic is getting married on July 20th
Nenad Krstic, the NBA Oklahoma basketball player and his girlfriend Tanja, with whom he has been in a relationship for six years, are getting married on July 20th in Belgrade, seven days after the beginning of preparations of the national team.
OKC Thunder: One player away | Dime Magazine
With the third-lowest payroll in the League, Oklahoma City not only has itself in good position to make a big move this summer, they’ve also got a lot of money to play with in 2010, when Grade-A talent becomes available. (Does Grade-A talent want to play in OKC? That’s another story.)
Scouting James Harden | Thunder Rumblings
He has a maturity to his game that’s rarely seen in 19-year-old ballplayers. His court vision is excellent, his decision-making is terrific and his all-around impact is invaluable. It could be that I caught Harden on a great night, a 74-67 home win over the Bruins in which he nearly recorded a triple-double with a team-high 15 points and a career-high 11 assists to go with seven rebounds. But considering the point total was five below Harden’s Pac-10-leading scoring average and he finished with eight turnovers, I’d say his performance was closer to average than great.
NBA Basketball Rumors - ESPN Insider
The Oregonian reports Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard and assistant general manager Tom Penn called agent Lon Babby last night to begin the courtship of Hedo Turkoglu. "Kevin Pritchard and Tom Penn called me at the earliest possible moment and expressed enthusiasm for engaging in discussions about Hedo becoming a Trail Blazer," Babby said late Tuesday night. "We have begun that process."
Rudy Fernandez of Portland Trail Blazers draws interest from Europe - ESPN
A league source told ESPN.com that Fernandez has already been courted informally by European powerhouses Olympiacos, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and CSKA Moscow as word spread that the Blazers had become the apparent front-runners to land free agent Hedo Turkoglu. Fernandez, who paid more than $500,000 of his own money to buy his way out of his contract with DKV Joventut, believes he can earn 5 million euros per season if he signs a three-year contract in Europe. He is due to make $1.1 million from the Blazers next season.
Thunder enters preliminary talks with Utah's Paul Millsap | NewsOK.com
Oklahoma City entered into preliminary talks with Millsap's camp about 30 minutes into the start of free agency late Tuesday night. Teams were permitted to begin negotiating with free agents at 11 p.m. Central Time.
NBA Free Agency Live- 7/1/09 Sporting News
11am- Oklahoma City is preparing a large offer for Paul Millsap and the Mavericks are interested in Marcin Gortat, says ESPN's Marc Stein.
Twitter / Darnell Mayberry
Add the Thunder to the list of teams interested in Gortat. I'm told OKC officials made contact with Gortat's camp shortly after midnight.
Who's Got Cap Space? - Basketball News & NBA Rumors - HOOPSWORLD
The Thunder will likely use some of their cap space, but probably not all of it. They are rumored to be interested in restricted free agents Marcin Gortat and Paul Millsap, but they have to consider how such a signing impacts their roster down the road when they have to give extensions to the likes of Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, and Russell Westbrook.
THUNDER: Thunder Treats Special Olympics Athletes To Clinic
Westbrook and Shaun Livingston arrived in town Monday, while guard Kyle Weaver and forward D.J. White got here on Saturday to welcome draft picks James Harden, B.J. Mullens and Robert Vaden, all of whom were also present on Tuesday. Centers Serge Ibaka and DeVon Hardin both played overseas this past season and have been working out in Oklahoma City this summer, as has Tulsa 66ers forward Moses Ehambe, who was also present.
Dented Cans In NBA Free-Agency - Basketball News & NBA Rumors - HOOPSWORLD
Robert Swift - As someone who is a connoisseur of tattoos and interesting conversation, Swift has always been a cool cat to interact with. Unfortunately, he's proven to be very underwhelming as a basketball player. Swift showed some signs in the 2005-06 season and was named the starter at center for the Seattle SuperSonics heading into the 2006-07 campaign. In a terrible turn of events, Swift ruptured his ACL after playing just a little over one-minute in the team's first preseason game against the Sacramento Kings in October of 2006. Swift suffered a torn meniscus in the same knee in 2008 and has struggled to regain his form since. Swift won't turn 24 years of age until December, so he has youth on his side. However, given the fact he was routinely torched on a night in and night out basis when he was given the opportunity to play last season, it's hard to see another NBA team viewing him as anything more than an insurance big off the bench moving forward.
BostonHerald.com - Sweetney joins Celts for summer league
The Celtics also added free agent center Robert Swift to the roster. The former Oklahoma City/Seattle seven-footer, who joined the league straight out of high school, has always intrigued Ainge.
State Of The Cap: Oklahoma City Thunder | HoopsDaily.com
Oklahoma City didn’t win many games this year, but they are making all the right moves in their rebuilding process. Their draft picks have panned out nicely, and the additions of B.J. Mullins and James Harden fill holes at the center and shooting guard postions - especially Harden, who is exactly the type of heady talent the Thunder want to pair with their existing hyper-althletic core. Kevin Durant looks like a superstar that might be capable of carrying his team to a title someday. They have unloaded all their bad contracts and are well under the cap, especially in the summer of 2010 where they currently have just nine players under contract, and that is if you include player and team options. They also made some nice pickups during the season. In December, they signed Nenad Krstic to a small contract so he could help them out at center and he played decently well coming back from an injury last year. The Thunder also traded a late first round pick for Thabo Sefolosha, a young wing player from the Bulls. All of their decisions the past few years have given the team youth to develop and cap space to work with. They are now in position to turn the corner and become a winning franchise again.
THUNDER: Catching Up With Kevin Durant
What do you think about your new teammates (guards James Harden and Robert Vaden, and center B.J. Mullens) added in the NBA Draft? "I love the guys. I met them yesterday, and first off they seem like great guys off the floor and they’re players we need in our locker room. On the floor, they play hard on both ends. That’s what you need. So I like how they fit in with us."
NBA free agency: Detroit Pistons in talks to sign Ben Gordon - ESPN
Sharp-shooting Bulls guard Ben Gordon and his ex-Connecticut teammate, Charlie Villanueva, were in Michigan on Wednesday for talks with the Detroit Pistons about joining the team. The meetings are considered a shared visit, sources told ESPN.com. Like Gordon, Villanueva, formerly of the Milwaukee Bucks, is a free agent. Villanueva is believed to be high on the wish list of the Cleveland Cavaliers, who embarrassed the Pistons by sweeping them in the opening round of the playoffs. Villanueva's agents declined comment.
Ultimate Standings 2009 - No. 57 - Oklahoma City Thunder - ESPN
Looks like the move from the Emerald City was a fan-friendly one. Clay Bennett may have been the worst owner in last year's Standings, but Oklahoma City fans have given their new franchise a 59-spot overall bump and an increase in nearly every category. The fans are excited by a future that includes young talent (Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Russell Westbrook) and community initiatives such as the Rolling Thunder Book Bus and fitness clinics run by the players themselves. And with tickets, soda, beer and parking going for less than the league average (though the price of a hat is tied for most expensive, at $22), fans are more than okay with OKC, declaring the Thunder the eighth-most affordable franchise in sports and the cheapest of any NBA team. The only negative is their home, the Ford Center, which lacks luxury amenities, well-lit concourses and leg room. But even that negative has a positive upside: The Thunder will sink $100 million into the facility over the next two years, adding restaurants, bars, premium seating and a new scoreboard. As Oklahoma City proves, there really is no place like (a new) home.

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More from Darnell Mayberry on Gortat
He guesses that Gortat is the Thunder’s second option if Millsap doesn’t work out. Some other interesting stuff in there, well worth checking out.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good one.
I like the fact that we have some inside help with signing Gortat:
Another potential factor in the Gortat sweepstakes is familiarity. Zucker also represents Thunder guard Thabo Sefolosha, and both Zucker and Sefolosha have been thoroughly impressed with the Thunder’s culture and direction.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it looks like Gordon and Villanueva are Pistons.
That was fast.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize that Ben Gordon was so good at 3p%.
40.5% is his lowest.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's historically good.
He’s kind of like Ray Allen right now, only younger. He takes a lot more contested shots because of his role on the Bulls than Allen did, too.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Detroit Pistons made the biggest early splash in free agency on Wednesday, agreeing to terms with Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.
Former Bulls guard Gordon will receive a five-year, $55 million deal, while former Bucks forward Villanueva gets a five-year deal for $35 million, sources told ESPN.com’s Chris Broussard.
Gordon rejected deals from Chicago in excess of $50 million each of the past two seasons.
The Associated Press first reported the Villanueva signing.
Free agents can’t officially sign with new teams until July 8.
Gordon, who was taken third in the 2004 draft by Chicago, led the Bulls in scoring each of the past four seasons. He averaged 20.4 points per game on 45.5 percent shooting last year. For his career, he has a 21.3 points per game average.
Villanueva, the seventh overall pick by Toronto in 2006 who has played the past three seasons with the Bucks, averaged 16.2 points and 6.7 rebounds per game last season.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn
you two beat me because i was writing an analysis of what it means for us.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
I was going to write a little more myself then sammy’s comment popped up.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well let me know what you think of my analysis then. lol.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
If we really want Millsap, then he is ours. I just hope we can land him for closer to $7M.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont
see any real reason to push the price up higher for it only hurts your club further down the line. They could do it but i dont see utah paying 14 million between salary and luxury tax to keep him just to let boozer leave next year.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t agree with your anlysis?
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news ...
And now we can stop all the random considerations of Gordon and Villanueva!
by manifestus on Jul 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pistons sign both Gordon and Charlie V
5/55 for ben
5/35 for charlie
combine this with reports lee will get a 5/50 offer from Memphis and portland using its cap space to go after hedo we are the only ones with money and if we are in on Millsap as is said we can go lower because we are basically bidding against ourselves and utah is already in the luxury tax. I say 7-8 mil a year will be tough for the Jazz to match because they will owe dollar for dollar on it.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Teams i might have forgotten but dont see as suitors
atlanta does have cap space depending on what they do with marvin williams
toronto appears to have about 10 million but 3 mil or so of that will go to DeRozan so they could be involved if they decide to move Bosh
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I've been skeptical of signing Millsap,
but if the contract is 5/35 that’s a pretty good contract.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably in the minority on this,
but I’d rather have Gortat at the same price.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think Gortat's true value is?
Something approximating the full MLE is the consensus so far, meaning 5-6. I would argue that Gortat’s value to the Thunder exceeds Millsap’s, even if, in a vacuum, Millsap is the better player.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think he is worth the full mle
i think someone will give it to him, but dont think he has that value.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gortat's true value is more like
4-5 million a year. Add that we won’t have to compete that much against Orlando which would have to basically pay 2x the preoffered contract by going over the cap … Well it’s worth a shot. Once the price goes up any more than that, you have to really start considering the other options, since there are several basically interchangeable big men out there.
by manifestus on Jul 1, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5/35
That is exactly what I’d want Millsap for.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now what happens to the rotation if we brought in Millsap?
Do we think he can play the 5 at all?
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't. Which is why I'd rather have Gortat.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wanting gortat and paying him that much very different conversations
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Hollinger today:
Gortat shot 56.7 percent from the floor and averaged a whopping 14.4 rebounds per 40 minutes last season. His rebound rate of 20.3 ranked sixth in the league — meaning on more than one out of every five missed shot, he got the board — and his offensive rebound rate of 14.0 was better than Howard’s. Gortat also blocked 2.7 shots per 40 minutes, putting him 12th among centers, and while his foul rate was fairly high (5.6 per 40 minutes), it wasn’t off the charts.
Overall, his 17.04 player efficiency rating was 19th among centers. But with the exception of Chris Andersen, everyone ahead of him is either on a rookie contract or making more than $9 million a year.
It doesn’t appear to be a fluke. He had even better numbers in limited minutes the previous season, and his translated numbers from Europe indicate that at worst he’d be a decent backup center. He’s also nimble for his size, making him a good pick-and-roll defender.
Basically, he’s a starting NBA center and he’s only 24. Given those parameters, a midlevel deal for him suddenly looks like pretty good value.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this song and dace has been done with other centers who shined in limited minutes
some who ended up signing for big money with this very organization. Macilvaine and Calvin Booth come to mind
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing the numbers in the year before they signed on with the Sonics/Thunder:
McIlvaine per 36
TS% .476 Pts 5.5 Reb 6.9 Rb% 11.3 Blks 5.0 PF 5.0
Booth per 36
TS% .512 Pts 11.3 Reb 9.5 Rb% 15.2 Blks 4.3 PF 5.3
Gortat per 36
TS% .583 Pts 10.9 Reb 13.0 Rb% 20.3 Blks 2.4 PF 5.0
The players that Mcilvaine and Booth were exposed as were the same players they were before they signed.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm either/or...
on the Millsap/Gortat debate. I do feel Millsap is more proven, but we do need more help at the 5. I just depends on how Presti want to approach our needs.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm convinced.
I’d rather have Gortat than Millsap. Especially considering that I like Green, Collison, and DJ White.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White would be the biggest loser...
if Millsap is signed.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would he be in jeapordy of being cut?
I liked him in college. He can’t stay healthy, but he’s good if he’s on the floor.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wouldnt get cut
but play in the D-league most of the year
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was out because of a tumor in his jaw.
It was about as freak an injury as they get.
by sammy on Jul 2, 2009 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall him getting injured in college a lot.
Though I could be confusing him with Vaden.
by LantermanC on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. I don't see him at the 5.
But he would bring interior toughness, more rebounding, and a little post game.
Green and Millsap would share the 4.
Green could get minutes covering for Durant at the 3.
D.J. White would spend a lot of time in Tulsa.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so i pegged that right
you get KD 38
Millsap about 30
Green about 30
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically Millsap or Green
Is going to be a super 6th man sub (according to Darnell Mayberry) if this happens.
by manifestus on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so 4D
you would make Millsap the starting 4 and give green 18 min a night backing him up and the other 8-10 that KD is on the bench?
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just answered your question...
before you answered it. :)
I wouldn’t start one player over the other. They would have to compete for their minutes.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well based on last years production for green and millsap
in 30 min which is what he got last year millsap produced 14 and 9 approx and i would assume green in 30 min to get around 14 and 6 so that combined with KD getting 26 and 7 (hopefully the rebounds go up) would give us forwards giving us 54 and 22 a night not bad production from the 3/4 at all
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just add a good center piece...
and the Thunder should flourish.
I really didn’t think Presti would pull the trigger on such a big signing, but I’d be happy with either.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collison would be...
a back up 5 for Krstic and Mullens.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying Mullens is better that Collison either.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mullens better not play next year.
He should be in the developmental league all year.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we trade white to washington to get JaVale Mcgee
solve our backup center problem
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be sweet!
but I don’t think it is likely. They value McGee a lot.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any other young centers we could look at?
we have assets to trade
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
McGee isn’t close to a finished product either. Potential, yes. Great? Not exactly …
by manifestus on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By this I mean to say
Giving up anything of substantial value, which is what it would take, would be annoying.
by manifestus on Jul 1, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i only offered DJ White so not like i was calling him great.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White has good potential as well.
If we upped it to Mullens and White we might have a trade, but I don’t know if it would be worth it.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
white does have potential
but lets be honest if we sign millsap he isnt playing here unless one of them gets hurt.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot all about it
Watson for Camby solves the problem.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Camby-Kristic
Millsap-Green
KD-Green
Harden-Thabo
Westbrook-Livingston
also makes collison trade bait.
In thinking about it i would probably start green so he could come back out to relieve KD
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also camby
buys a year for ibaka, hardin, mullens and the draft develop
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still interested in this option.
Especially since we could potentially have two lottery picks next year.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN
Rockets.com reports Houston wants Marcin Gortat so bad that Rockets’ general manager Daryl Morey rang the door bell at Gortat’s Orlando-area home at 12:01 am this morning.
Morey is asking fans to aid in the recruitment process by sending Gortat a note at rocketsfanslovegortat@gmail.com to show how much they want him in a Rockets’ uniform next season.
Also Millsap’s agent is looking for $10M. I don’t see that happening.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont want him for 10
but he can look for whatever he wants there is no one out there who can pay it to him and i dont see utah agreeing to a sign and trade to take on 10 mil in salary.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets ARE a smart org
and with Yao on the bench, I’d overpay if I were them. But I’d also get Frye if he really were a $4 million/year player.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Mayberry 3 minutes ago:
RT @InsideHoops LA Times reports the Clippers will trade Zach Randolph to Memphis Grizzlies for Quentin Richardson3 minutes ago from web
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
They actually moved his contract. There goes the Camby idea.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would memphis do that
when they were looking at lee for 10 mil a year
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no clue
i never know what memphis is up to
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Memphis is retarded
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
it would just be collison instead of watson
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still have Kaman, Griffin, Camby, and DeAndre Jordan (looked promising)
If I were them, I’d give up Camby as a salary dump.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable.
Chris Wallace really is the dumbest GM in the league.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think z-bo has an awful contract
but his game is what they need there.
conley-Mayo-Gay-Z-Bo-Hasheem/Gasol…that is a good lineup if there are enough balls in the gym
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always hated Randolph's game.
He’s a lazy, selfish player.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same.
I couldn’t care if he averaged 30/15, I’m convinced he’d never be a playoff team.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
be ON a playoff team (as an integral part)
of course he can never be a playoff team.
by LantermanC on Jul 2, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
No team in the NBA needs Zack Randolph.
Nonononono.
Vinny Del Negro Offensive Gameplan, Part 1
-When there's less than 30 seconds left in the game, that's me with my hands cupped around my mouth yelling.
"BEN! SHOOT! SHOOOOTTTT!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"
-This segues nicely into my Timeout Management classes - order now!
by Prevenge on Jul 2, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Oklahoman
The Thunder has announced its roster for the 2009 summer league schedule. Some of these names will appear in the Orlando Pro Summer League from July 6-10, and some (likely Russell Westbrook) will not participate in the Vegas Summer league.
The names you know…..
Russell Westbrook
D.J. White
Shaun Livingston
Serge Ibaka
James Harden
Kyle Weaver
Robert Vaden
B.J. Mullens
DeVon Hardin
The names who aren’t on the current roster….
DeAngelo Alexander, G, 6-4, 215, Charlotte
Marcus Dove, F, 6-9, 212, Oklahoma State
Moses Ehambe, F, 6-6, 200, Oral Roberts
Kyle Hines, F, 6-6, 230, UNC Greensboro
Keith McLeod, G, 6-2, Bowling Green State
Richard Roby, G, 6-6, 205, Colorado
Doug Thomas, F, 6-8, 245, Iowa
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
our summer league team should dominate...lol
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's like a who's who of college studs
from a stats or a tools perspective.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little disappointed we didnt pick up any of the better players that werent drafted this year
Christmas, Adrien, McNeal, Matthews, but it is just the summer league team and they arent signed to contracts yet.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way...
Christmas and Holiday playing on the same team should be a crime.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha.
i was going to play this out using other names on the team but i will pass.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Lee’s days in New York are effectively over, said a source who believes that agent Mark Bartelstein will find the Knicks’ choking point and exceed it by a dollar in negotiations with Oklahoma City and/or Memphis. “It’s a tough loss for New York, but they don’t want to screw up their 2010 plan,” the person said. The money will be there for Lee, especially now that Boozer is off the market. The only reason for Lee to think twice is the added bang for the buck he’s gotten out of playing in New York. He won’t be a known commodity anymore in OKC or Memphis. CBSSports.com
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hoopsworld on millsap vs lee
This morning there were rumors that Lee was close to a deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, but a source close to Lee told HOOPSWORLD that rumor was far from true. The Grizzlies haven’t put a number on the table yet, and the rumor that the Knicks were even in the right ball park with a four-year $34 million offer are completely off base. Not even the other number being tossed around – five years and $50 million – will get you into a serious discussion with David Lee. In fact, our source told us, Lee’s camp is looking for five years and $60-$65 million before they’re willing to have a serious discussion.
Honestly, when I was told that I said I felt Utah’s Paul Millsap was probably as good as Lee, yet wouldn’t command anything close to Lee’s asking price. Believe it or not, however, the numbers suggest Lee is a much more productive player than Millsap. Despite coming off the bench for a significant part of the season, Millsap averaged just four minutes per game less than Lee. In 30 minutes per game, Millsap averaged 13.5 points, 8.6 rebounds, and 1.8 assists per game while shooting 53% from the field and 70% from the free throw line. In 34 minutes per game, Lee averaged 16.0 points, 11.7 rebounds and 2.1 assists while shooting 55% from the field and 76% from the line – and he did that one a team without a true floor general who knew how to feed his big men. Millsap was playing alongside one of the top point guards in the NBA in Deron Williams.
Paul Millsap’s going to get a lot of love this summer, there’s no question about that. He has the potential to be a solid starter and maybe even an All-Star somewhere down line. David Lee, though, is one step above Millsap and is ready to help a playoff team immediately.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millsap is a much better defensive player than Lee though.
Lee isn’t worth anything close to what he’s asking. I do love his game on offense though. One of the best (maybe the best?) garbage men in the game.
by sammy on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grizz still want Lee even though they just got Randolph?
Or other way around, why would Lee want to go there with an uncertain amount of minutes.
by LantermanC on Jul 1, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he isn't what we need
but I’m really high on David Lee.
by ElectricPencils on Jul 1, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i like lee
but maybe i see him too much cause his D is terrible. he also in my estimation wherever he goes will be viewed sort of like Shawn Marion as a guy who’s numbers were inflated playing that role in D’Antoni’s system.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of posts!
I leave for a couple hrs & BOOM, posts all over the place. Saw signings, someone already said it but no more rumors about: Gordon, Camby or Kaman. Now it’s down to Millsap, Lee & Gortat. Get Millsap & bail…Gortat will be too much w/ all teams driving up price & Lee isn’t a defensive presence. There are enough mins to go around for Millsap & green when: we go small w/ Millsap at 5, Green spilling Durant & flat out splitting time at the 4.
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From Kevin Durant's twitter:
Just got done working out with the team…we lookin good
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
Chris Broussard thinks that Millsap is going to the Thunder
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 1, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As he mentions in the first video on this post. :)
Funny how he stumbles over his words.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we all repeat
that’s fine for 5/35
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luxury Tax?
You’re Utah…Boozer has limited trade value cuz he’s a FA next summer & wants to go to a big market team, so knowing he’s gone & you want Millsap as you’re future starting PF, do you go over for a year & pay tax knowing all this? Just trying to figure out what our strategy would be & getting him for as little as possible cuz I don’t see too many other suitors now that Detroit is done spending big $$$ & Memphis is set.
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that you mention it.
With Boozer’s expiring contract, the Jazz could offer Millsap a competitive contract and simply pay the luxury tax for one year.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you both realize 1 thing
to bring millsap back for 1 year lets says it 7-8 mil costs them 14-16 cause the tax is dollar for dollar. if you are going to do that you better truly believe you are winning a title cause that team w an 80 million dollar payroll is going to cost ownership 90 mil and even after boozer leaves your still on the doorstep of the tax again next year.
Actually im forgetting the million dollar salary that maynor will get so thats even more for them to pay.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Millsap as along term option...
vs. Boozer as short term option. Once Boozer leaves, Millsap’s contract wouldn’t be as costly because the Jazz will be out of luxury tax (I assume).
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
but your still saying to pay 15 million next year b/w millsap’s salary and luxury tax to keep him longer term.
It might not be fair to blame the tax on the millsap deal, but they are already there so his salary is what you are adding and thus for each dollar his salary cost it costs them double for a year.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not like choosing one or the other
boozer took the choice away for next year so they pay out the ass this year to keep millsap long term or they lose him. i guess the way i look at it is just say the contract for millsap is 5/40 or 8 mil a year and OKC could frontload it to fuck Utah even more, but lets just say 8 mil this year. if it costs you 8 mil in luxury tax that means your really paying 5/48 to keep millsap in utah.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Utah
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. You let Millsap go you’re stuck with Boozer for a year unless they do a sign & trade before deadline OR you match an offer for Millsap & pay out the ass in taxes – Glad mleetch352 knows ins & outs of luxury tax cuz I don’t.
Utah didn’t expect Boozer or Okur to not opt out & now this? I hope we steal Millsap from them & steadily improve & pass them in standings in the next 2 yrs. They’re definately not as irritable now than when they had Stockton & Malone.
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys have really turned into commenting maniacs!
Since I’ve been gone… I love it :-D
-This comment brought to you by Mr Pappagiorgio aka Mister P
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jul 1, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you were holding us back
stifling our commenting mania…lol.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is that icy glare of his.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mister P's take on this?
You gotta pick a side now that you’re back…we’ve been beating this issue up since it was first rumored & the reason why all the comments are running wild is because there is some disention on what we should do.
Some say Millsap, some say Gortat, some say leave it all alone & let our guys gain experience & save it for their extentions. Whatcha think P?
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN
The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.
If the Lakers refuse to increase their offer, it’s a clear indication that they are choosing their other big free agent forward, Lamar Odom, over the younger Ariza.
Bad move by the Lakers, I think.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland cant offer more
they are going to blow their load on Hedo. The rockets will need Artest more than Ariza unless he bolts.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where they get the money?
Didn’t know Portland had so many options this offseason…Hedo & Ariza, I don’t buy it.
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
portland has about 8 mil
which was my point when i said they cant give more than the mle since they are going to give all they have to hedo.
by mleetch352 on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what this really says
is nothing about odom vs ariza but the lack of faith they have in bynum.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broussard just said....
Ariza is talking to the Cavs. Ariza is insulted by the Lakers simple offer of a MLE, so out of spite he might take a MLE elsewhere.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better fit
would be back to Orlando to take Hedo’s spot at the 3.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be ironic
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure
I think that fills the void: keeps Orlando’s gameplan w/ 3’s, Hedo’s scoring made up by Vince, get a good defender like Courtney Lee was.
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Laker hater,
I would love this more than anything. Ariza and Pau are the only two guys on that team I like. It would be awesome for Ariza to stab the team in the back like that. Not that I think it’ll happen. My guess is Lamar and Trevor are wearing purple and gold next year.
by sammy on Jul 2, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the lakers have this problem
because they paid bynum 12 mil when doesnt deserve it and Vujacic 5 mil when he deserves it even less
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cavs?
They just drafted Danny Green, who in my mind is the same type of player.
by LantermanC on Jul 2, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 & 3. He could probably start at the 2 and cover the 3 when LeBron rests.
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by daddydai on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dont see him as a 2
and moving west to the bench doesnt help them, but maybe. i think orlando is a more natural fit and would be better with him than hedo for the money.
Jameer-Vince (cant stand)-Ariza-Rashard-Dwight
Pietrus, Reddick, Ryan Anderson, Anthony Johnson off the bench.
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Bass
Orlando is said to be interested in getting Bass, don’t know #’s.
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by EHoff4020 on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i assume that is to be a more physical 4 presence when rashard goes to the bench
that said i assume that was before the league was aware of this issue with ariza and the lakers
by mleetch352 on Jul 1, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt know i work for the oklahoman
“One prominent agent was skeptical Wednesday that Oklahoma City would blow away the Jazz with their offer to Millsap, calling Thunder general manager Sam Presti “about the most conservative guy there is” in the NBA. The Thunder contacted Millsap about a half-hour after the start of free agency Tuesday night, The Oklahoman reported. They might attempt to frontload a contract or fatten it with incentives, given their future salary commitments, the report added. Salt Lake Tribune"
sound familiar…lol.
Also apparently utah is going to match anything that is not a crazy offer so someone asked about 10 mil and they called that borderline crazy so i take that to mean they would match on 5/35. i like millsap but i dont want to pay him 10 mil a year just to get him, let him stay in utah i guess.
by mleetch352 on Jul 2, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that.
So maybe we could give him $10M his first year, then scale back to $6.25M for the remainder.
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by daddydai on Jul 2, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10, 8.5, 7, 5.5, 4…is that legal in an nba deal? this would be great cause these 1st two years are before any of our guys get paid anything significant. my guess says his agent wouldnt take that unless millsap just really wants out of utah.
I could also see something more like 10, 10, 5, 5, 5, not sure this can be done in nba.
I remember years ago when in the NHL before their cap the rangers gave Joe Sakic a 3 year 21 million dollar offer sheet with like 17 million in year one.
by mleetch352 on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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