Loud Links: June 8, 2009
by daddydai on Jun 8, 2009 6:00 PM CDT
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4D hear to report that the Rubio saga continues. The latest news has the Spanish B-ball wiz-kid possibly suing his current team to lower the buyout price. Is this good news for teams with lower picks that can’t compensate the price of his buyout with regular rookie scale salaries? Guess what? Tyson Chandler was hurt worse than thought. I’m at a loss for words concerning Chandler. I wish Chandler the best, yet I’m slightly relieved to know that Presti and company made the right decision. There is more news from the Eurocamp, and some ESPN Insider articles concerning the historic results of the draft.
Ricky Rubio is suing? - Rotoworld.com
Ricky Rubio is reportedly suing his team, DKV Joventut, in order to reduce the amount of his approximately $6 million buyout clause. The lawsuit claims that there is an unreasonable disparity between Rubio's current salary and the buyout amount requested. With the draft fast approaching it shouldn't take long for an agreement to be reached -- at the moment two years remain on Rubio's contract, which he signed when he was 15 years old.
What impact would each potential NBA Draft pick have on the OKC Thunder? | NewsOK.com
But the truth is, eight different players could wind up being the guy Oklahoma City comes away with depending on what it does at No. 3. Our list might even be on the short side when you consider cagey general manager Sam Presti is making the call. Anything could happen.
New Orleans Hornets Coach Byron Scott anticipating upcoming season - Hornets Beat
Scott also added that surgery revealed center Tyson Chandler's injured ankle was worse than thought, and Chandler's rehabilitation could take four months, close to the beginning of training camp in October.
New Orleans Hornets take a look at UNC's Tyler Hansbrough - Hornets Beat
"First of all, he is a power forward, he's a rugged, very intense, fierce competitor," Scott said. "He's a much better athlete than I think a lot of people give him credit for. He shoots the ball much better than people give him credit for. So I don't think it'll be a big-time transition period for him as far as adjustment to the NBA style. College is probably more physical than the NBA until you get to the playoffs. I don't think the adjustment is going to take that long."
NBA draft: Eurocamp format shines in showcasing talent - ESPN Insider
De Colo was the big surprise at the camp. NBA scouts have been following him for a couple of years, and a number of NBA execs reported that he looked good in the group workouts in Minnesota last week. But he was borderline spectacular at the Eurocamp. He torched Mills' team on Day 1, leading his team to a 20-point blowout. And his production (13 points, 4 assists, 4 steals) didn't tell the whole story -- his floor vision, pacing and defense dictated the course of the whole game.
DraftExpress: Reebok Eurocamp, Day Two
Plenty of chatter about the Ricky Rubio situation, with the most interesting commentary coming from the many members of the Spanish basketball industry, which are out here in full force. The news this morning about a lawsuit being planned by Rubio’s camp is apparently very true, and there was plenty of spirited discussion regarding whether his exorbitant buyout relative to his proportional contract will hold up in a Spanish court.
NBA Draft - After pick 10, available talent drops sharply - ESPN Insider
Our statistical analysis shows the people picked 10th or above have a decent chance of becoming excellent NBA players. But go any lower, and we mean any lower, and you're in a casino. A foreign casino, with odd games and different languages. The odds are against players in the last 50 picks giving a team any more value than an average replacement player, as defined by John Hollinger's estimated wins added (EWA) metric.
NBA draft - It's smarter to pick young players than college seniors - ESPN Insider
The First Law of Tim Duncan states that the more college basketball experience a player has, the more polished his skills are, the more seasoned his character is and the more prepared for NBA success he will be. Its corollary, the First Law of Kwame Brown, states that a raw-tooled player straight from high school, however gifted and highly touted he may be, is ill-equipped for the rigors of the NBA game and represents a dangerous investment for franchises picking at the top of the draft.
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Really looks like we dodged a bullet with Chandler...
Although the injury that was “worse than thought” according to the article was in regards to his ankle, and not the “Turf toe” which was the official reason the trade was rescinded.
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True, but...
I had a feeling the Thunder was holding back on some of the specifics out of respect.
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More than likely. We honestly probably only ever here about 50% of the stuff that really goes on behind closed doors regarding injuries.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell, Watson makes 6 mil, Chandler 11 mil (2009). Any way to make that work?
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by blackvanilla on Jun 8, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Even with all his injuries
I’d take on the extra 5 mill for Chandler….its the 12+ he’ll make per year after that that scares me in terms of taking on his salary. How many more years does he have? 2? 3? I don’t remember, but its too many.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 9, 2009 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions
That is too much of a risk. One, two years maybe.
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never liked that deal
he was never even when healthy worth that money.
Couple of stories that might interest readers here based on the discussion that are not in the links.
Jordan Hill might fall to the bottom of the top 10 or out of it all together. DeJuan Blair has a knee and arthritis condition that is concerning a lot of teams.
The other was about Gortat being offered the MLE by different teams and people scoffing that he isnt worth that much. “As for the talk about Marcin Gortat….seriously, I can not see them giving up the valuable mid-level exception for Marcin Gortat. Sure, there is interest and the Knicks like what he can do, just like a lot of teams do. But some guys are what they are and Gortat, I believe, is a backup center and, therefore, exactly where he should be. That money can be better spent elsewhere.” Newsday
I like Gortat, but this is more in reference to this idea that he could be offered 8-10 million a year this offseason which if that is what he wants Presti should pass as he is probably worth half that 6 mil tops. This organization got lucky on letting Jerome James walk learning from the Jim Mcilvaine debacle so lets not repeat it. I think for that 10 million that Chandler would have gotten and some say Gortat could get Gortat and Bouroussis and honestly i think Bouroussis has more upside than Gortat does.
Why don't we get both of them? :)
I just found an article about Bouroussis that claims the Cavs and Grizzlies are interested in him.
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yes
the article yesterday either from or just cited on hoopshype said the spurs, cavs and griz were all interested. I have no problem getting both if the net cost is somewhere around 10 mil.
As bad as memphis is when it comes to trades, their international scouting has been pretty good in the translation to NBA players. Obviously both Gasol’s even though Marc was picked by LA, Navarro who played well and then went back to Europe. Cleveland has had some luck with Vajaeo even though i dont like him cause i just hate floppers and actors, Pavlovic had some good years for them too, but never seems to get consistent time. And we all know how well SA has done with the international scene so to have these three teams interested i think says something about the quality of the player.
I also look at it this way. If we signed both for somewhere in the 10 million dollar range that would give us a 3 headed monster for about 15 million, also known as Tyson Chandler and Chucky atkins.
Based on my calculations with the nba projecting the cap at 57.3 mil we are 15.5 million under. Now that doesnt include the 2.4 million of nonguaranteed money in Atkins deal, so basically 18 million under. I assume watson will get dumped, wilkins probably will, and collison might. Plenty of options for Presti.
I'm not sure if I agree...
about Gortat being a backup center. This is only his second season in the NBA and the vast improvements he made from year 1 to year 2 was pretty tremendous. If he still has room to progress, which I think he does, especially with improved minutes, he could become a quality starting center.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
he could
he could but that doesnt mean you pay him like he is one now would be my only response to that along with the caveat of “they said the same thing about Jerome James”
touche
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm tired of this comparison.
Gortat >>> Jerome James.
As for Bourousis, it depends what it takes to sign him and how he checks out with Presti’s team. If they’d like to take the chance with the Greek guy for 5-6 mil per year vs paying a little more for the Polish guy, I’ll get on board with that. If they think that Bourousis can’t fill the Thunder’s needs or if they deem the risk too great, I’m fine with that too.
One player we haven’t been talking about at all is David Lee. It’s becoming pretty clear that NY is gonna look to dump some salary in a sign and trade. The Thunders have the pieces to get that done with the expiring contracts of Collison and Watson, and, as has been noticed elsewhere, Presti may have already greased those wheels a bit with the Wilcox trade. Lee would provide terrific interior offense and rebounding. At rebounding and doing the garbage work, he’s one of the best in the game. But he’s way out of position playing C and you’re not really addressing your interior defensive woes by playing him. Signing and trading for Lee in addition to Gortat or Bourousis could be pretty interesting. Question is, how much do you think Lee is worth?
Can we not...
Call our team “The Thunders”
…seriously, thats annoying :p
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
but, really, it's not my fault you guys chose such a stupid name.
by sammy on Jun 8, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it really any...
stupider than SuperSonics? …and this comes from a longtime Sonic Fan.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yes.
opinions and assholes obviously, but Supersonics has regional ties and was unique and memorable. Thunder is one of the most generic team names I could possibly imagine. It sounds like an arena football or WNBA team.
Twisters
now that’s a stupid name.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets keep the language to a minimum please. You can be pessimistic and argumentative all you want, but keep it clean. Thanks.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true. That’s why we have places like this to discuss, argue, and shove our points down other peoples throats. I think that’s what the internet was invented for. lol
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a big deal.
We’re still a growing blog, and just don’t want to put people off by language, even if its a lesser form as you posted above.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Twisters
would have been a bad choice. Especially since all the damage and ruined lives associated with Twisters. I think the Thunder is one of the best names in the NBA. Unoriginal, maybe, but I still like it.
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heh
your just still harboring resentment because the team left Seattle. It’s cool, I get it.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
...and I supposed
the Heat and Magic get lumped into that same category?
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Magic makes some sense because of Orlando.
The worst team name for me is still the Raptors. I never liked their jerseys or colors, and I remember thinking that the team name seemed unbelievably trendy because, if I recall correctly, the Raptors expanded into the league right around the time Jurassic Park was a huge deal.
That is true. At least they made some positive changes to their color and uniforms this past season. I like their new black and red look.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I dislike the Raptors name too...
I actually preferred the purple and red uni. Red and black is way too common.
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Really? I think their red and black uni’s look pretty unique and stand out. I can’t really think of anyone they look too much alike.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 9, 2009 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
;-)
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 8, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This team I could really get excited for:
Westbrook
Harden/Curry
Durant
Lee
Gortat/Bourousis
Bench:
Green
Thabo
Krstic
Weaver
White
That’s the makings of an offensive powerhouse and would be a hell of a lot of fun to watch. You’d need to pick up a back up point guard off the scrap heap unless you draft Curry (Patty Mills?), but that’s a pretty solid rotation 2-5.
you can say that
but James put up better numbers than your boy did before he was a free agent including good numbers in the playoffs. I am not saying Gortat will turn out that way, but the possibility is there especially considering he had a lot more offensive game.
As for lee. He puts up numbers but being in NY i see them all the time and while he scores 18 and grabs 14 on a given night he will give up 25. He plays lousy D and cant block any shots. this team needs a C and some shot blocking and Lee producing neither nor can he score in the post, so he doesnt provide what we need.
As for this fallacy of expiring deals. This is the 2nd or 3rd time in 2 days i have had to correct the simply researched fact that Collison has TWO years left on his deal.
If you want to talk about lee and the 10 million he wants then i would rather spend that on Millsap. If you pay lee that kind of money he has to start and play 35 min a night, so where does Green go?
Better numbers?
James contract year:
TS% .533
6.5 Rb
3.0 Blk
2.4 Tov
7.6 Pf
10.7 Pts
Gortat:
TS% .580
13.0 Rb
2.4 Blk
1.1 Tov
5.0 Pf
10.9 Pts
*per 36
In addition, James had a reputation of having a poor work ethic and was 29 years old with a history of inconsistency. Gortat is 24 and has no such marks on his reputation.
re: Lee. After watching what Boston did to Ray Allen and Orlando to Rashard Lewis, Hedo, and Reddick (!!), it’s become pretty clear to me that defense is about 90% coaching, mindset and effort. Thomas and D’Antoni aren’t exactly known for being defensive minded coaches. Not to say that Lee would flourish defensively on the Thunder, but I’m hesitant to just totally write him off as a hopeless case. And he’d not be expected to be the anchor in the defensive paint; that’d be Gortat’s job.
You’re right about Collison’s deal. The Thunder would still be saving them money, though because Lee would certainly be signing for more money and for a longer contract that what Collison is owed in 2010.
$60/6 is probably too much. But would you take him for $45/5? What about $50/6?
Minute breakdowns would go something like Durant 40, Lee 32, Green 24, with perhaps a few more minutes to spread around if you decide to occasionally shift KD to the 2.
BTW, I’m not saying this is definitely what I want to happen this offseason. Just think it’s an interesting possibility to discuss. I’d welcome Millsap too.
lee is about an 8 mil player
u cant blame d’antoni for lee’s lousy d because he has always been lousy on D, but i suppose that was thomas’ fault before this year. I would rather save the money and let green play since at least he gives real effort on the defensive end of the floor. you only put Green on the bench if you get a real post presence.
Good points, but let's compare him to Calvin Booth instead then?
How do they match up on a per 36 basis?
Just an FYI...
I added a Loud Link archive of sorts at the bottom of the posts for quick browsing back to any missed days. 4D, all you’ll have to do is copy and paste that section each day as well as add the previous days link.
That way its easier for anyone who misses a day or two and wants to go back. This also helps find the older Loud Links easier as well since we only keep the latest 3 Loud Link posts on the front page.
….resume normal commenting :p
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I actually like the nickname
I like our nickname, it’s our colors that I think they could have been a lil more elaborate on…I mean come on we just about copied the previous expansion team to a T. I would have much rather preferred green and yellow, or black and silver…ya know knock off an NFL team or something…
and us
I’m not a big fan of the away jerseys. I’d prefer the darker blue with a stronger yellow accent. Then I guess people would say we were ripping off the Warriors?
Other than the away jersey, my only gripe would be the logo. I don’t hate it. It just could be better.
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Meow.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain
Did you say meow?
Because I saw you drinking milk from a saucer, jumping all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree, and also eating mice. MEOW!
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on Jun 9, 2009 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions
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53 | 29 | .646 | 0 | Lost 1 |
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50 | 32 | .609 | 3 | Lost 2 |
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15 | 67 | .182 | 38 | Lost 7 |
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