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James Harden "Dope Sheet" - All The Info For Thunder Fans

With the third pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Oklahoma City Thunder selected James Harden a 6'5" 222 pound shooting guard from Arizona State. For months here at Welcome To Loud City we have pinned down Harden as the main target for the Thunder with the third pick, among other potential picks. The Thunder desperately needed a shooting guard and a complimentary shooter and scorer with some range to play alongside Kevin Durant. Before we launch into the dope sheet (scouting report, basically), let's link you to all of the previous pieces that we've had involving James Harden in preparation for the draft:

All of those are extremely detailed articles, and so you can see we already have had quite an extensive preview of James Harden, more so than any other prospect. Luckily for us, Sam Presti drafted Harden, so we don't necessarily need to re-invent the wheel. You should find a lot of information in any of those three articles.

The Thunder avoided any drama by passing on Ricky Rubio, who was available at #3 for Sam Presti to take. Apparently, Rubio is not even certain he'll play in the NBA next season after he was drafted by the Timberwolves. If he plays another year in Spain, his buyout will be substantially reduced. And if he plays two more seasons in Spain, then he is free to go whereever he pleases. Also, Hasheem Thabeet was off the board already, as Memphis selected him at #2.

With all of that business out of the way, the good stuff after the jump!

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College Numbers


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2008 - James Harden 35 35.8 6.3 12.9 48.9 1.7 4.7 35.6 5.8 7.7 75.6 1.4 4.2 5.6 4.2 3.4 1.7 0.3 2.8 20.1

As you can see, James Harden was a guy who put the ball in the basket - a lot. Obviously, that's what the Thunder need after finishing in the bottom five in the league in shooting percentage. He shot the ball at a 49% clip which is pretty good for a shooting guard who has range. He also averaged close to 2 treys a game shooting those at about a 36% clip. Perhaps more importantly than the scoring figures, Harden put up a fairly well rounded stat line with 5.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, and 1.7 spg.

Harden ranked 21st in the NCAA (14th of draft eligible players) at 24.5 points per 40 minutes. He was among the statistical leaders in player efficiency rating in the college ranks, and he also had some of the highest usage rates in the NCAA. It's a testament to Harden's scoring prowess that he is able to put up such efficient and gaudy offensive numbers despite using a high percentage of his team's possessions.

Some more statistical views, mainly from DraftExpress:

  • "None of the 5 players who used as many possessions as Harden (Marcus Thornton, Jermaine Taylor, Jodie Meeks, Jerel McNeal, Dar Tucker) were as efficient as he was from the field. Out of those players, only Meeks' PPP was higher than Harden’s, thanks to how many 3's he made"
  • "Harden was a terrific finisher around the basket this season. Not only did he get to the rim more than any other player on our list (8.7 Pos/G), he ranked in first comfortably at 1.25 PPP (points per possession)."
  • "He was terrific on the very few catch and shoot opportunities he received with his feet set (2.4 Pos/G), but really struggled when being contested (.85 PPP) or shooting off the dribble (.73 PPP). In fact, the 27% he shot from the field off the dribble is the lowest of any of the nineteen players in our sample."
  • "Harden created quite a bit of offense by himself in isolation type situations—his 5.2 possessions per game ranks just behind Dar Tucker amongst the 19 we looked at."

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Scouting Report - The Positives

  • "Much of Harden’s scoring came off the dribble, where he has great control and cunning to get high quality shots. He loses his man fairly easily with a array of pre-dribble moves and zig-zag, between the legs shakes. Once Harden has his man on his hip, he is quick enough to not be caught and nimble enough to sharply split defenders if there is a help defender on the perimeter...He’ll hit floaters, lay-ups and frequently use the glass. Though not explosive, he is agile and elusive in the air." --RealGM.com
  • "One thing Harden does extremely well when penetrating into the lane is his vision to pass to an open big on the weak side or to kick out to a spot-up shooter. Even though he is a true shooting guard, he has a lot of the same characteristics of a point guard when he is a passer." --RealGM.com
  • "He has a good stroke, good arc, good touch and a consistent, compact form. He has really good range, able to successfully extend out to the NBA three." --RealGM.com
  • "Harden is a pure scorer from the perimeter. A left-handed deadeye shooter"  --NBA.com
  • "Despite a lack of height for the position, Harden has a solid build to shrug off some of the best defenders in the league to create space for his step-back jumper."  --NBA.com
  • ""He's one of those kids that's a throwback from a different era," one NBA general manager was quoted. "His background came back as clean as it gets. His coach and teammates rave about him. He's all business on and off the court."  --The Oklahoman
  • "Because he's left-handed and has a similar build and perimeter game, Harden has been compared to Michael Redd, the Milwaukee All-Star who played on the U.S. Olympic team."  --The Oklahoman
  • "His game translates very well to the next level because of his length and he anticipates well, whether that's getting to a spot for a shot or defensively. In high school he led us in charges two years in a row."  --(Harden's High School Coach) The Oklahoman
  • "Said one Eastern Conference scout, "He's an above average athlete." .... "He's not slow," the scout said. "He still needs to show me he can shoot it as well as some people think. ... Wherever he ends up he'll be a very good NBA player for a long time." --The Oklahoman
  • "He also ran 11.10 in lane agility, only .01 slower than Hornets All-Star guard Chris Paul ran in 2005. He also displayed good strength (17 repetitions of 200 pounds)."  --The Oklahoman
  • He plays hard on the defensive end and is an above average on-the-ball defender. He's also a pretty good defensive rebounder. With Westbrook, the Thunder might have one of the best rebounding guard tandems in the league.
  • He shows an uncanny knack to get fouled and get to the free throw line. Additionally, he usually makes great decisions, is very efficient, and is a team player.
  • He has a great hesitation move that he can use to get by guys. He likes to drive to the basket, an attacking mentality not unlike Russell Westbrook.

Scouting Report - The Negatives

  • "When weak side defenders are quick to cut him off, especially defenders with size, his efficiency rate goes down dramatically."  --RealGM.com
  • "Harden’s perimeter shot is more set shot than jump shot, where he barely elevates off the ground. He has been able to get away with this because of how much defenders respect the way he puts the ball on the deck and also because he has a fairly quick release with it."  --RealGM.com
  • "In the NBA, most two guards are at least 6-6 or taller, which could present difficult matchups on both sides of the floor for the 6-5 Harden."  --NBA.com
  • "The scouting report on Harden is to run him off the 3-point line and make him shoot from the midrange. He tends to favor the left side while ignoring opportunities to score from the right."  --NBA.com
  • His last appearance on a basketball court - the NCAA tournament - was not his best. Some thought that he folded under the pressure, and that he absolutely did not perform up to his talent level at all.
  • He can be somewhat turnover prone. His turnovers per game stood at 3.4 last year, good for 11th among players eligible to be drafted.

Pre-Draft Combine Numbers

Height: 6' 4"    Height in Shoes: 6' 5.25"    Weight: 222   
Wingspan: 6' 10.75"   Standing Reach: 8' 7.5"    Body Fat: 10.1%  
Stand Vertical: 31.5"    Max Vertical: 37.0"    Bench Press: 17 reps
Lane Agility: 11.10 sec.    3/4 Court Sprint: 3.13 sec.

I'll give you a small taste of what I put in the earlier article, which you can read here. "The two numbers that really caught my eyes were the sprint and the bench press. His sprint time was the 8th best at the combine, and much better than other "supposedly more athletic" shooting guard prospects. I had no idea that Harden was a speedster. His bench press reps are quite impressive as well, as it indicates that he has quite a bit of strength. I imagine that this is part of the reason why he manages to score a lot, because he can muscle into the lane, along with doing a lot of other things well."

Outlook

I would say that given his talent level and maturity (especially for a guy coming out after his sophomore year), Harden stands a good chance of cracking the starting lineup by the season opener. He should be an excellent complimentary player to the people the Thunder already have, if all of his statistics and scouting reports are accurate. His slashing style and physicality should give the Thunder an interesting guard tandem. Westbrook and Harden will both be great rebounders and great passers, and both will have a tendency to drive to the hoop and kick the ball out. If Green can get more consistent from distance, Durant and Green could have quite a few more open shots in the coming years. We shall see how Harden does in the coming camps over the next few months, but at present it seems like a solid pick by Sam Presti.

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Great Pick

Surest thing in the draft….he’s a more athletic Ginobilli. Good character guy, he should really get along with the current roster in the locker room. Not as sure about Mullens though….we don’t have a surefire tough guy to toughen him up. Back in Seattle, this team had Reggie Evans and Danny Fortson, who made sure that every big guy who saw the floor, went out there ready to take the battle to the other team. Not sure Kristic or Collison can teach that to Mullens, and that’s pretty much all he’s missing from becoming a big time player.

by illfreaky911 on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Harden is a great character guy

He’s definitely a good teammate and a smart player, but I am still going with cautious optimism here. Watching him all year just screamed (to me) that he was putting up good numbers against weak opponents and struggling with the pressure of carrying the team. I hope he is a better shooter than I fear he is. His main strength is definitely attacking the rim, and he has good vision even when double teamed – he can almost always find the open man. I can’t help feeling he’ll be a slightly different version of Westbrook without significantly adding anything else. He’s not a dead-eye shooter, that’s for sure, but maybe he’ll be a more reliable 3pt threat than Weaver / Thabo / et al.

by johnnycougar on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta add this, from the official website:
Harden has known fellow Los Angeles native and Thunder guard Russell Westbrook since they were about 11 years old. They both grew up going to the same Boys & Girls Club, and have been in touch throughout the draft process.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

So...

the trio become a quartet with 2 DC kids and 2 LA kids.

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by daddydai on Jun 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i look for stats similar to gordon last year

i think that harden with his ability and the opportunities he should have created off of the other guys on this team can put up numbers similar to Gordon’s season averages. I would not expect the huge point numbers that eric put up in certain games but i dont think 16pts 3 reb 3 assts on 45% from the floor and 39% from 3 is unrealistic though i expect his 3 pt shooting to be more around 35 as it was in college.

by mleetch352 on Jun 26, 2009 2:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Great pick

I think this guy might be a little underrated. If you look at his numbers at ASU last year and his combine numbers they are very very close to Brandon Roy’s numbers. A lot of the stuff being said about Roy is the same thats being said about Harden. I do think Roy is probably a better athlete than Harden and I also think Harden could gain some athleticism back by shedding a few pounds, he’s at 225 right now I think he’d be better served playing at 210-215 range.

Most important is that he’s a great character guy, coaches/players rave that he’s all business both on and off the court. He’s also a pretty good shooter, better than Westbrook for sure and will give us another threat alongside KD.

I think we got a great pickup overall. The guy can get to the rim, he might struggle against the elite SG’s(Kobe, Wade, Roy, and Johnson) but I don’t think he will have as much of a problem creating his shot and attacking as most think he will.

I’m not sure what to expect from Mullens. On the one hand you have a guy that has a ton of athletic ability, he’s got great timing as a shot blocker, has good touch and great hands BUT he has a few glaring issues, skill wise he is raw has an offensive player and he is an average rebounder at best. Physically he needs to get stronger and in better shape. There are also questions about his toughness and desire to get better. He needs to answer those questions. He can shake that soft label if he wants to, Pau Gasol shook it after 7 years in the NBA.

Best case scenario with Mullens we get a more athletic Zydrudas Illgauskus, worst case scenario we get Robert Swift.

by ThunderHorn on Jun 26, 2009 2:30 AM CDT reply actions  

not a big fan of the roy comparison

i think he is more of the pierce, manu type than roy.

Also i think against the more athletic two guards in the nba like the kobe’s and the wade’s and brandon the beauty of our team is he doesnt have to guard them as russell can do that while harden plays against their inferior point guards and maybe even forces them to guard him because their point guards (fisher, chalmers, blake) cant stay in front of Russ.

by mleetch352 on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

that is of course if Portland doesn’t go out and get a better point guard this summer. 8-10 million in cap space, depending on renouncing rights and such.

The thing that separates Roy from almost every player in the NBA, Harden included, is the ability to move smoothly with the dribble in any direction and get to a spot on the floor. He’s also a better shooter and more athletic. The ballhandling is what separates Kobe, Wade, Paul, Roy, etc.

Harden will be a very, very nice complementary player I think… It’s just that Roy was a second-team all-NBA this year. It’s like comparing Rodrigue Beaubois to Rajon Rondo. Yeah, they kind of have the same build… but basketball is also skill-based.

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Harden as a good player for OKC, but I worry that a combination of him and Durant will be really bad defensively. Combine that with Krstic and Jeff Green playing undersized at the 4, and it’s not a great recipe for success.

Harden = good, Mullens = bad.

Acquiring centers is kind of like getting Lasik surgery. You don’t try to get a discount. Pick one in the top five.

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Sene, Swift, Petro….. Mullens?

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

like Oden?

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by daddydai on Jun 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Oden with the incredible rebound rates and second-highest PER in his class. Statistically, he had a monster season.

His two injuries this year:

-Sprained ankle in first game when Bynum pulled him down. It was later admitted that he hadn’t yet gotten his reflexes back from surgery. Sprained ankles coming back from surgery are extremely common.

-Incredible banged knees incident with Maggette. Bill Simmons, who HATES Oden, even admitted that this was a freak incident and not due to Oden’s “injury-proneness.”

The area affected by microfracture was so small that it didn’t even necessitate surgery. The Blazer management decided on it because of his gigantic importance to the future of the team.

Now, factor in that he hadn’t been able to work out his legs for two years, was horribly out of shape due to only being able to run from October on, and a bizarre treatment from the referees (reference Dwyer, Yahoo columnist and Bulls fan. Not a Blazer bias) and his numbers look good.

I know that people think he’s an absolute bust already, but if you compare him to the good centers in today’s NBA, he projects very well. I don’t need anyone to agree with me, I can understand the pessimism. Just wait for his second or third year, when centers start to show their worth.

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And I understand the pessimism surrounding Mullens. I’m just tired of the franchise’s drafting history of big men being used against us. Lord knows if we try to claim any other part of the Sonics history we will be drawn and quatered, yet people are stuck on giving us the history of drafting bust bigs. Presti didn’t draft any of the other busts, so I think he is entitled to one of his own.

The only that I have disagreed with so far is re-signing Swift last summer. Presti should have known better by that point.

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by daddydai on Jun 26, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also displayed good strength (17 repetitions of 200 pounds).

Wasn’t it 180 pounds? I’m so sick of The Oklahoman’s reporting.

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by daddydai on Jun 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually it is 185 pounds, but if I got paid to write I double check my facts first.

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by daddydai on Jun 26, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

James Harden

Let me start by saying I am a Celtics fan. But, at heart I’m a Sun Devil. I wish James Harden the best and I can’t wait to watch him play for the Thunder.

by schmalzilla on Jun 27, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't wait either.

He just so crafty when driving to the basket. Add in Russell’s explosiveness, Durant’s scoring ability, and Green’s versatility and we should have a very good team on our hands.

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by daddydai on Jun 28, 2009 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

JH

OKC fans, Im really liking how you guys are putting your team together. Always been a huge KD fan and loved watching Westbrook develop into the man at his tail end at UCLA. Im a Suns fan, Arizona native, and I go to ASU. I got to watch every ASU home basketball game, Traveled to U of A and UCLA a few times for away games.

I can tell you this, you guys got an absolute stud in Harden. I’m a basketball freak and I have good feel for the game. Harden was the man at ASU and carried the team in Herb Sendeks Methodical offense and still produced, everyone knew he was the guy on our team. So many teams threw different defensive schemes at him and it didnt bother him. Lets the game come to him, gifted passer, and with his length he is a decent defender and a ball hawk.

Dont mean to ramble on, but he will really impress you. Im getting nba league pass so i can catch some thunder games this season.

Goodluck on the season.

No day but today

by RyanMarcus on Jun 28, 2009 3:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the love...

You’ll enjoy watching the Thunder play. Even last year when they were losing, the games were very exciting and tightly contested most of the time. With a player like Harden on our roster, the Thunder should win many more games this season.

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by daddydai on Jun 28, 2009 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

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