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2009 Draft Coverage: Big Deals Today & Latest Draft Buzz

Minnesota Timberwolves new president of basketball operations David Kahn has been very busy. They wanted to make a big splash in the draft and it looks like they are lined up to do so. (AP Photo/The Star Tribune, Richard Sennott)

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Minnesota Timberwolves new president of basketball operations David Kahn has been very busy. They wanted to make a big splash in the draft and it looks like they are lined up to do so. (AP Photo/The Star Tribune, Richard Sennott)

Let's start with the breaking news that Washington and Minnesota have agreed to a deal. First, the report from Yahoo! Sports:

The Washington Wizards have agreed in principle to acquire Minnesota Timberwolves guards Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Etan Thomas, Oleksiy Pecherov and Darius Songaila and the fifth pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, a league executive with knowledge of the deal told Yahoo! Sports. The teams are still working out details but the deal is expected to be consummated.

The Wizards Get: Randy Foye, Mike Miller

The Wolves Get: 5th pick, Etan Thomas, Oleksiy Pecherov, Darius Songalia

This becomes very important because now the Timberwolves own the 5th pick, the 6th pick, the 18th pick and 28th pick - all of which are in the first round. Four first round draft choices is pretty absurd! The Wolves will be able to make a huge impact in the NBA Draft. However, now we have competing rumors about what the Wolves will do now that they own back-to-back picks at 5 and 6. First, Sam Amick from the Sacramento Bee who tweeted this:

Rubio may be about to come off the board. Don't be shocked if Minn. packages 5 and 6 for No. 2 from Memphis.

This may be true, and if they grab the 2nd pick I would imagine that they would select Rubio. However, I also heard that if they managed to get the 2nd pick that they would take Thabeet. However, according to Alan Hahn, the Wolves may not even trade in the first place:

ESPN.com is citing a source saying the T-Wolves won't package both picks to move up even more, which counters the theory that the may double-down to get the No. 2 and Ricky Rubio.

More of the latest draft buzz after the jump!

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Right now, there's not much that anyone can do but wait and see. In fact, the deal between the Wizards and the Wolves is not even official yet, it's just extremely likely. Personally, I would have to agree with Alan Hahn. If the deal goes down as stated above, the Wolves just lost two starting-caliber players, and so I would have to think they're going to go out and try to get as many quality players in the draft as possible. And yet, the Timberwolves apparently like Rubio a lot, so it also wouldn't surprise me if they traded up. Additionally, it's possible that the Wolves don't trade 5 and 6 for the 2nd pick. They might trade 5, 18 and 28 for the 2nd pick and wind up with the 2nd pick and the 6th pick, which would still be a pretty good position to be in.

Meanwhile, in the other big news of the day, the Bucks appear to be shooting for an entire new roster. The first trade, per Yahoo! Sports:

The San Antonio Spurs have agreed to acquire Richard Jefferson from the Milwaukee Bucks, league executives told Yahoo! Sports on Tuesday. The deal, first reported by Yahoo! Sports, has the Spurs sending veterans Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto to the Bucks, who are looking to shed the remaining two years, $29.2 million on Jefferson’s contract for the Spurs’ expiring contracts.

Then, they decided to turn around and trade Oberto to the Pistons almost immediately. I found this quote from Sporting News via the SBNation blog Motown String Music:

A busy predraft day just got busier for the Milwaukee Bucks. A source tells Sporting News that the Bucks, after trading Richard Jefferson for a trio of Spurs—Fabricio Oberto, Bruce Bowen and Kurt Thomas—have traded Oberto to Detroit for young power forward Amir Johnson. A Bucks source has confirmed the deal.

Quick Hits

  • The Bobcats are looking to trade for Samuel Dalembert of the 76ers. (Source)
  • The Thunder hired a Barcelona law firm (Source). This is said to be just in case they draft Rubio. But answer me this: (1) how many other teams have hired law firms to deal specifically with Rubio? (2) how many other teams have hired a Spanish law firm? (3) why would you spend money on a law firm for a specific player unless you intended to draft him? To me, all the recent chatter seems to point to the Thunder leaning in the direction of drafting Rubio. If they are paying this law firm, I sure hope they do, or they're wasting their money!
  • Sean May will be available, as the Bobcats failed to make a qualifying offer. (Source)
  • According to Andrew Marchand (source) the Grizzlies will not draft Ricky Rubio. They are looking at Thabeet, Evans, Harden and Curry, with Thabeet being the most likely selection. A bit earlier he cites contradictory sources that say the Knicks are interested in trading up for Rubio, but the other source saying that the Knicks like Curry more than Rubio.
  • According to the ESPN Draft Blog, the Grizzlies will take Thabeet at 2 if they don't trade.
  • Barring any trades in the top 3 it's looking like Griffin to the Clippers, Thabeet to the Grizzlies, and Rubio to the Thunder.

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Any chance

The Thunder take Rubio as trade bait or make a deal with T-Wolves?

by ElectricPencils on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's possible

Any team that takes Rubio is gonna get at least a couple of offers. The Thunder could make a deal with the Wolves and trade back and probably pick up another first round draft pick. However, the Wolves would probably need to be certain that the Grizzlies don’t take Rubio. Therefore, any trade like that would probably go down during the draft, I would think.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Howard Cooper says...
"The growing league-wide sentiment is that the Grizzlies won’t select Rubio, but by their own choice rather than being scared off. Adding size is simply more pressing and Conley still has promise. Trading out of the spot is possible. If not, Connecticut center Hasheem Thabeet is the logical choice. "That’s who they’re taking," a rival personnel boss said. "The rest is smoke. Bet on it."

It seems like the Grizzlies are leaning towards not taking Rubio. Since they desperately need a big man, my bet is they won’t trade back either since the draft is guard heavy. Thabeet is probably the best fit for them.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bill Simmons said in a chat with Chad Ford

if the Thunder take Rubio, they’ll be the NBA’s most popular team overnight

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

from the most hated to the most popular. That’d be weird.

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but with the superstar potential of Rubio and Durant I can see where he is coming from.

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one point they made in that podcast that I can't get out of my head:

Scouts are calling his passing ability right now as being on a par with the all-time greats. Not “potential to be,” not “with a few years of development.”

by sammy on Jun 24, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio

I have a bad feeling about him and the circus that will follow. On the flip side his popularity will surely make OKC some big money and will get us even more nat’l attention.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's what two NBA front office people said:

First Guy:

"I’m a fan and think that people always look for the negative, saying he can’t shoot and is scrawny," said Evaluator No. 1. "Remember, at 17 he played in the Olympics against the greatest players in the world and when asked who impressed them, the Olympians said Rudy Fernandez and Ricky Rubio."

"His basketball IQ is off the chart and he is one of the best greatest passers I have ever seen," Evaluator No. 1 said. "He has a chance to be special."
"Those deficiencies of not being a great shooter and not being strong, he will fix because he is a gymrat," Evaluator No. 1 said. "The kid won’t stop working."

Second Guy:

"I never saw a guy who has drawn as much varied opinion," Evaluator No. 2 said. "He is a brain-first, clever and tricky player, but I don’t know if his physical package is built to stand the test of time."

"I don’t see him being picked near No. 2 or 3," he said. "I see him as one of those point guards who has a chance to be OK like a bunch of other players, but I don’t see him as a savior."

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think Rubio

will be a Jason Williams-like player. I wouldn’t mind him being on the team, I just think Harden would fit better with our current roster.

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

Rubio’s are guy.

I like WBrook at the point. As many have said, he needs to have the ball to be an effective scorer.

by ElectricPencils on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'm a bit skeptical too

But consider that Westbrook had a player efficiency rating (PER) almost 2 points higher as a shooting guard than a point guard. Not to mention his measurables and rookie season stats are actually remarkably similar to other 6-4 to 6-5 shooting guards – most notably Dwayne Wade. I was considering doing a story on it, and I probably will if we draft Rubio and after the draft stuff is finally over.

Point is, Westbrook could actually be a GREAT shooting guard, we just need to be patient and let him both develop a jumper and extend his range.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RW0 and DW3

both had comparable rookie seasons. I’m very skeptical of moving Westbrook of the ball, but I could be wrong.

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rubio is the perfect fit, much more than Harden

Rubio allows Westbrook to isolate late in ball games. Look at the Lakers = the play Fisher at point and when it gets to the fourth quarter, they give the ball to Kobe and let him play one-on-one – if not, they double-team Kobe and it leaves people open (Gasol, Odom and Ariza). There’s nothing to say that Westbrook won’t get the ball in the fourth quarter (i’m not trying to say he’s Kobe). The idea is that you move Westbrook to a two and all the sudden you have a big point guard with ball handling skills going one-on-one with slower defenders late in games. Westbrook as a 2 is actually scarier than Westbrook as a one and Harden as a two.

by Kooz on Jun 24, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's talk rumors

Let’s say we take Rubio and the offers start to roll in. What offers would you accept as a gm?? I’ll throw out the Rubio for Bynum deal. I don’t want any part of Bynum no way no how but hey let’s discuss.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll pass on that, no way

If we have Rubio, it’ll probably take a package of players or players and picks to get him. I doubt Bynum alone would get it done

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thunder will trade with a team that need a good PG.

I can see Rubio being sent to the following teams for a big man package.

Miami for Haslem
76ers for Dalembert
Wizards for J McGee
Dallas for E. Dampier
Warriors for Turiaf

I’m still hoping that we can pull Turiaf and Azuibuke in some sort of trade with GS.

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone else gone through different phases about who they want?

I started at Rubio, went to Thabeet, was at Harden for awhile, and now I’m back at Rubio.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've played...

1000 scenarios through my mind and I would be scared shitless to be the one who makes the final decision.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly makes you appreciate Sam Presti

I could probably make a decision, but I’d be pretty scared too

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stephen curry

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wouldn't be my pick

at #3 under any circumstance

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 23, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what i would look for.

in this draft moving from 5 to 2 is not worth the 6 as well. but from 5 to 3 should net the 18 pick. this is important because with detroit dealing amir johnson the 15 for 25 trade is dead. so 5, 18, 25 should still net us harden, a pg lawson/maynor, at 25 draft an international like casspi or sell the pick.

by mleetch352 on Jun 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just throwing his name out there...

because that’d be a shocking choice. Y’know that is what we expect from Presti.

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by daddydai on Jun 23, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like

Curry, but we could probably trade down a couple spots and get him. He’s a lights out shooter and a hard worker. I’m big on character.

My preference is Harden.

Not a fan of Thabeet.

I’m intrigued by Tyreke Evans.

Basically, I like a guard with our first pick.

by ElectricPencils on Jun 23, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting tweet from Ric Bucher
Hearing a lot of crazy stuff – like maybe Rubio isn’t a lock 4 Sac and that NY might still have a shot at him somehow. But nothing concrete.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Memphis holds key, then OKC options can be unlimited

Before we even start thinking of who to draft, what possible trades are out there we have to see what Memphis will do. Here’s what we know…

  • All the top prospects don’t want to go there (Rubio, Thabeet, Harden, maybe Curry).
  • Owner & GM aren’t on the same page (owner likes Thabeet, GM likes Rubio).
  • They’re receiving more trade offers than any team right now (mostly for Rubio).

I foresee Memphis drafting Rubio only to trade him for the best offer to god knows what team, so many to choose from. I can now see Minnesota offering a swap for the 6th & a player like Rodney Carney (from Memphis) to get their PG of the future in Rubio & trying to snag Thabeet at #5. Which leaves OKC with their guy all along, Harden & Sacramento gets bold & takes Jonny Flynn, who killed everyone in workouts. Memphis takes Jordan Hill to put next to Marc Gasol & their starting 5 is pretty solid.

Back to the important team in OKC. I think Presti is too talented & creative to just settle for the #3 & #25. I see them keeping #3 for Harden but definately depending on how the chips fall, players slipping (DeJuan Blair, BJ Mullens, Terrence Williams, Ty Lawson) they then trade up with a team like Phoenix #14, Minnesota #18 or New Orleans #21 (Detroit is out now). Thats not where it’ll end though. It may be during the draft or shortly after but Presti will make another move with Earl Watson + pick or player to fill our other gap which will most likely be in the middle. Potentially someone like Camby who he can use and dispose of later in season or get a younger center with potential (could use a little of the cap too) such as Gortat.

I’m not really saying anything that hasn’t been said or thought of but thats how I see it playing out logically, team-by-team needs & current draft buzz.

Remembers when GP & the Reign Man were the best Duo in the NBA, hence the 4020...R.I.P. Seattle Supersonics & welcome Oklahoma City Thunder

by EHoff4020 on Jun 23, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post EHoff, and I agree with a lot of it

I think you make a great point about trading two players for someone to plug in the middle.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 24, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I like Blair,

I’d be pretty upset if they end up trading the #25 plus Phoenix’s 2010 unprotected pick back to Phoenix for the #14

by sammy on Jun 24, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#1-15 Mock Draft

2009 NBA Mock Draft (6/23)

Explained in previous post, here’s how I see it going as of Tuesday night after Spurs/Bucks trade & Wolves/Wiz trade pending…

1. LAC – Blake Griffin: Best player in draft hands down. Too bad it’s the Clippers.
2. MEM – Ricky Rubio (traded to MIN): Wolves make splash & big name PG of future.
3. OKC – James Harden: Top SG & NBA ready player next to Griffin, starts next season.
4. SAC – Jonny Flynn: Owned workouts vs. other PG’s & is a leader.
5. MIN – Hasheem Thabeet: Solidifies their frontcourt & doesn’t have to produce now.
6. MIN – Jordan Hill (traded to MEM with #28 & Rodney Carney): fits at PF next to Gasol.
7. GS – Stephen Curry: typical Nelly pick creating his fave backcourt with Monta Ellis.
8. NY – Jrue Holiday: Great potential at PG with added scoring & defends.
9. TOR – DeMar DeRozan: Need SG bad & he’s a highlight reel but needs time.
10. MIL – Tyreke Evans: Slipped due to team needs but can run PG & is not undersized.
11. NJ – DeJuan Blair (hopefully trading with OKC): Needs post presence & rebounding.
12. CHA – Gerald Henderson: Hometown pick & is well coached & a great defending SG.
13. IND – Brandon Jennings: Energenic PG of the future.
14. PHO – Earl Clark: Matrix-like & will love running w/ Nash & can play 3/4 like Odom.
15. DET – BJ Mullens: Supposedly promised him, need size in post w/ Sheed gone.

Thoughts? There will probably be a trade or tons of rumors disproving all of this tomorrow so what can you do.

Remembers when GP & the Reign Man were the best Duo in the NBA, hence the 4020...R.I.P. Seattle Supersonics & welcome Oklahoma City Thunder

by EHoff4020 on Jun 24, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a weak draft.

But it seems like it would be fun to be a Minnesota fan.
They could get Curry, Jordan Hill, and Chase Budinger or something like that.
Or Harden (if he falls past 4), Jennings, Hansbrough?

by LantermanC on Jun 24, 2009 12:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exciting for Wolves Fans

The Wolves could have a bright future depending on how this draft works out for them but the GM should’ve really had a coach in mind when they fired McKale. Drafting players without any coaching philosophy is hard.

Remembers when GP & the Reign Man were the best Duo in the NBA, hence the 4020...R.I.P. Seattle Supersonics & welcome Oklahoma City Thunder

by EHoff4020 on Jun 24, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Latest from ESPN
However, they (Minnesota) might be willing to do 5 and 18 for two or three. That may not be enough for Memphis, but it could be for Oklahoma City. The Thunder might be content to go to five and get either James Harden or Stephen Curry and then, at 18, get another player they covet, Ohio State’s B.J. Mullens.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 24, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sounds familiar.

i believe that is what i just said

by mleetch352 on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More, this time involving Phoenix at 14
One rumor that won’t go away has the Suns and Thunder talking about a draft-day swap that would give Oklahoma City the 14th pick and land the Suns the Thunder’s 25th pick and, more importantly for Phoenix, the return of their first-round pick in 2010. Sources say the Thunder have an eye for Ohio State center B. J. Mullens and would likely take him if he’s there at 14.

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 24, 2009 12:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the last two trades come true, the Thunder could potentially own

5, 14, 18 which would be great

At 5 they get their shooter (either Harden or Curry). At 14 they can get Mullins. At 18 they can get a point guard like Maynor. That would be a haul!

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 24, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldnt do it

i would not trade next years 1st just to get the 14 especially for Mullens. Phoenix will be even worse next year which means a higher pick in a worse draft.

Move from 3 to 5 get the 18 buy the 21, sell the 25 or just hope someone slips to 25.

5. Harden, 18. James Johnson if somehow he is there; if not Maynor/Lawson, 21. maynor/lawson if they got johnson at 18; if not Terrence Williams/Hansbrough as backup 3/4

Here’s to hoping someone reaches on Mullens in the lotto.

by mleetch352 on Jun 24, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

saw this elsewhere

if we could get the 5, 18 and 45 from Minnesota at 45 we could have our own “millsap” type 2nd round move in taking a banger like Jeff Adrien. His game reminds me of Oakley and he would be a steal at that area of the draft.

I want Harden and Maynor or Lawson out of this draft…whatever else presti does is gravy, but a haul of Harden, James Johnson, Maynor/Lawson, Adrien would be so sweet. if we stay at 25 the more likely one would be Harden, Maynor/Lawson, Casspi, Adrien and i have no problem with that either as i think Casspi is one of the rare internationals with that little bit of edge to his game as was reported when he abused Daye with physicality.

by mleetch352 on Jun 24, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd Rd Pick

If we happened to get a 2nd Rounder, grab Dionte Christmas. Sleeper pick to back up Harden off the bench. Needs to work on his ball handling & D but is a 6’ 5" lights out shooter, we can always use more spot up shooters.

Remembers when GP & the Reign Man were the best Duo in the NBA, hence the 4020...R.I.P. Seattle Supersonics & welcome Oklahoma City Thunder

by EHoff4020 on Jun 24, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade 2 first round picks for Mullens...

I do not see that happening. I think next year’s pick with be more valuable with a stronger draft and PHX tanking out.

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by daddydai on Jun 24, 2009 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I want to move up for a big guy too but not if it involves our future 1st rounders…that is how we are building this team for the future. There will be other bigs that we don’t have to reach for. Mullens is not worth it.

Remembers when GP & the Reign Man were the best Duo in the NBA, hence the 4020...R.I.P. Seattle Supersonics & welcome Oklahoma City Thunder

by EHoff4020 on Jun 24, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

As much as I’ve dogged Thabeet, Mullens is 10 times worse. He wasn’t even productive in college.

by ElectricPencils on Jun 24, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100 percent.

He’s fine for a 20-25 pick to see if he pans out, but no way I give up anything of value in order to reach up to grab him.

by sammy on Jun 24, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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