WTLC 2009 NBA Pre-Draft Coverage: OKC Thunder Work Out 12 Players
So you may have read about the Oklahoma City Thunder working out 12 players who will be part of the 2009 NBA Draft, in Darnell Mayberry's Thunder Rumblings Blog. The list of players, as you will see below, isn't exactly the caliber of player we would see the Thunder taking at #25 overall in the first round. Being as we only have two picks during the draft this season, both of which are first rounders, one might beg the question, why are the Thunder looking at these players? If you are, you are not the only one, some of the regulars who frequent the OKC Thunder Fans Forum, are wondering the same thing. One of our semi-regular commenters here at WTLC, A.D., brought up the point that they are working these guys out as likely free agent signings after the draft. While that is one good theory, WTLC has another theory that wasn't brought up during the thread linked above.
In THIS POST, which was made earlier in the week, we made the argument that at least 5 players, possibly 6, would probably not be returning next season, along with 2 more possibly headed for a season in Tulsa to gain experience and develop their game by getting substantially more playing time than they would be if they were sitting on the Thunder bench. So when considering that, and the fact the two of those guys are still sitting on contracts (Atkins and Watson), you can begin to put the pieces together as to why the Thunder might be working out some of these players, and although some may be looked at for post draft free agent signings, perhaps others are being looked at for 2nd Round Draft Choices. Did that get your attention? Thought so, now make the jump...
Before we get any further, I'm sure you are wondering who the 12 players are, right?
...from Thunder Rumblings. (Link at the top of this post)
Oklahoma State’s Terrell Harris, Texas’ A.J. Abrams, Marquette’s Jerel McNeal and USC’s Daniel Hackett headline this first group, which is filled with guards and has only one player listed taller than 6-foot-6.
Other players include: Jack McClinton (Miami), Paul Delaney (UAB), Jermaine Taylor (UCF), Garrett Temple (LSU), Courtney Fells (N.C. State), Josh Carter (Texas A&M), Joe Ingles (Melbourne Dragons) and Aaron Jackson (Duquesne).
So now you see why everyone is sort of wondering why the Thunder worked out these twelve players huh? We'll, lets jump in. Like we mentioned before, the Thunder have two guys in Earl Watson and Chucky Atkins that are likely to be traded and that could happen during the draft itself. The Thunder have value in the sense that both of these guys are expiring contracts and either one could likely be traded to a team looking to focus on creating room for the free agent bonanza in 2010, and its not entirely out of the question that either one could be traded straight up for a 2nd round pick (More than likely a late 2nd round choice).
Another trade scenario is that the Thunder aren't in Love with anyone at the #25 choice and doesn't want to get involved with guarantees that go along with first round selections. On draft day you might see the Thunder trade this pick for a pair of 2nd round choices or even package Atkins or Watson together with this pick, for a veteran player with multiple years left on his contract, and a 2nd round pick. Perhaps the Thunder really like what they see out of several of these workouts, we might even see both of those scenarios play out. Can you imagine the Thunder trading the 25th overall pick, Chucky Atkins, and Earl Watson all on draft day during multiple trades to pick up 3 or so 2nd round picks? To be honest, that's a bit of a stretch, but what I'm trying to emphasize here is, that the Thunder may very well be looking these guys to draft, in the 2nd round, as opposed to post-draft signing or using up that #25 overall pick.
A very big reason why I think you will probably see a trade during the draft and the Thunder acquiring a second round pick is because a good number of these guys are projected to go in the 2nd round. Seriously, why would the Thunder be working out players who are almost definitely going to go in the 2nd round, like Jermaine Taylor who is projected to go as high as #41 over at NBADraft.net in their Full 2 round mock draft. There you can take a quick peak and see where they think some of these guys are likely to go. We all know Sam Presti isn't hesitant to pull the trigger on any deal he feels will help the Thunder, and I just can't wait to finally see what he ends up doing. What do you guys think? Are the Thunder looking to ditch their #25 pick and drop to round 2? Or are they looking to sign these guys to free agent contracts or as possible project players at their D-League affiliate, the Tulsa 66ers?
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If you could get Jack McClinton as an undrafted FA...
that would be a nice pick up. Finding undrafted guys to send to Tulsa for a little while is a great idea for building rotation guys moving forward.
I agree.
I really hope to see Sam Presti stockpile as many young players with potential as possible and let Nate Tibbetts mold them into the kind of guys who can fulfill a need with the Thunder in coming years…as well as make this 66ers season ticket holder extremely happy by field a competitive and hopefully championship caliber team.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 8, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Josh Carter
is he the guy that went off to end this season (don’t remember if it was the Big-12 tourney or MM against BYU or something)?
AJ Abrams is 5’11, which’ll hurt him, it seems.
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Aj Abrams seemed streaky to me....
when he was on, he could get his shot no problem and would work imself and others into the offense. But when he wasn’t hitting he seemed to disappear, not what you want out of a guard under 6’.
I'd Love to see A.J. Abrams
playing for the 66ers next season. To me, he seems to be a guy who could really utilize the D-League to help get him ready for the NBA despite his lack of size.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
AJ Abrams
The only guy I like on this list is AJ Abrams. I know this is breaking the golden rule of cross racial comparisons, sorry. But does anyone else see Abrams as being Steve Kerr-ish in the NBA. And I am not talking about being a questionable GM.
Honestly...
I have no idea, I spent so much time focusing on the Thunder and trying to work in some 66ers coverage that I never really had time to keep up with the college game. It ain’t easy running a one man blog, especially during the season when you have previews, game threads where you are commenting back and forth to yourself, and game recaps. lol
…we need someone with an insight about players with RIDICULOUS UPSIDE to come over and drop a few comments about these guys, where they should go, or if they are more likely to go undrafted.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 8, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What others?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 8, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Austin Daye and Chase Budinger apparently
I didn’t even know I had an opinion on them until we started discussing those two.
Haha
Would you consider Stephen Curry as well?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Few of those guys have Ridiculous Upside
I really like Jerel McNeal in that group though – if this wasn’t a draft that could have 12 PG’s in the first round and he hadn’t been injured for the tournaments, I’d be talking about him. Jack McClinton can score, but I don’t think he’s much of an NBAer – he’ll be undrafted. AJ Abrams will do well in the D-League. Jermaine Taylor might end up in the first round, but only because he was amazing at Portsmouth – I’m not familiar with him otherwise. I’ve soured on Josh Carter for the past two seasons – but I loved him as a sophomore, if that helps. No familiarity with the rest, leading me to believe they’ll go undrafted. Bringing in the Aussie intrigues me though. I remember him a bit because I followed some Australian ball last year – he’s a Chase Budinger type.
As far as NBADraft.net, I much prefer DraftExpress. It may or may not be because we are closer on what we think will happen.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 8, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of good insight there, and thanks for the link to draft express.
You’re comment really helps my thought process about the Thunder acquiring at least a 2nd round pick sometime on draft day.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Appreciate any insight, so jump right in anytime you have some insight on a specific player…I know you will ;)
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey...
I made the front page!!!… Sweet!!!
Probably a mixture of the two will happen… Presti will make some trades. I dont think there is any doubt that he’ll be active on draft day. Some of those guys will be 2 rounders and others will be free agents after the draft. Good that Presti gets a look at them now.
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lol, start commenting more often and we won’t have to refer to you as a semi regular poster :p
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
i noticed that little jab as well… someone has alittle attitude this morning
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by AD. on May 9, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
lol, not really a jab, so much as motivation ;-)
…we’re trying to build a community here and get Thunder fans involved, thought maybe it’d help motivate you to comment more. I appreciate when you do comment though A.D…..and I expect more out of you because you are like my original first ever commenter going all the way back to Thunder in OKC :-D
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
its that damned firewall at work…
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by AD. on May 9, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Damned firewalls!
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
and I think I was the first…lol… ahh… the good ol days.
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by AD. on May 9, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you all (in OKC pronounced; "yall") think the Thunder brass
is sold with Westbrook running the point?
What about Durant? Is he better suited for SF or SG?
"Where's the beef?"
I think they are pretty sold on Westbrook running the point, unless something else falls their way (Ricky Rubio anyone?). As for Durant, the difference when he moved from shooting guard to the small forward early in the season after Brooksy took over was night and day. He’s said to be trying to pack on about 10 pounds of muscle as well this summer, so you can probably expect him to stay put at the small forward for years to come.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
You don’t think them bringing in these players, plus Livingston at the end of last season, shows that they’d probably rather move him over to his natural position at the 2?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
“natural position at the 2”
Watching KD play the 2 and the 3… and seeing the results of both… I’d argue his natural position is Small Forward. That being said, if we draft Griffin he may very well play a good amount of time at the 2. That’d move Green to 3 and Griffin fill in the 4.
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Honestly, no.
Unless they get a top tier quality point guard, or someone with potential to be that, I think they believe that Westbrook will be the point guard of the future, and with more playing time and experience, he could wind up being one of the best in the league at the position.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
...or
where you speaking of Durant?
and regarding AD’s comments.
…Geez the thought of Westbrook, Durant, Green, Griffin, on the court at the same time is, wow, but I’m not sure there is enough defense in that group depending on the center.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I was talking about Westbrook
He just doesn’t seem like a PG to me.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It was his first time ever playing the point...
and doing so while being a rookie. If you look at his numbers and consider those two things, I think he did terrific, and if he progresses like I think he can next season, you won’t be questioning whether he can play the point anymore.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He could progress
But you allude that his natural position is in fact at the 2. Why not let him play there rather than turning him into a PG when this draft is overly heavy on PG’s?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
True.. But is that really what you want? To pretend that Westbrook is a point guard for a few years before deciding that you want an actual PG? I’m not averse to a bigger point guard in the backcourt with him (Shaun Livingston) or teaming him with a pure point (Darren Collison) so Westbrook can do his creative thing. He’s not going to be a pure point and I think with the offensive firepower, this team could stand to use a distributor.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent point!!!
“He’s not going to be a pure point and I think with the offensive firepower, this team could stand to use a distributor.”
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I’m also not sold on Jeff Green as a power forward, but unless you guys move up to the top spot in the lottery, I think that’s where he stays, at least this season.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if that’s his natural position or not to be honest…just seems to be the position he’s always played. If he stays at the point guard position, in 5 years you may be saying that it was his natural position all along. He’s been dubbed a “Combo” guard, which would imply he could develop at either position.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That said, I’m not opposed to moving him back to the 2, I just don’t think we should unless we have a guy worthy of starting at the point. If you move RW0 to the 2, you also take out our best defensive player in Thabo Sefolosha. So really, unless we get Rubio, I don’t see RW0 moving back to shooting guard next year. Even then, they may want to work Rubio off the bench for awhile.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You are overhyped on Thabo
Myself, being a Bulls fan, was very high on him coming into the draft a few years ago. He showed flashes, but he’s wildly inconsistent. He’ll frustrate you.
Westbrook’s natural position is SG, as that’s what he’s played his entire career. Could he be a good PG? Possibly.
I don’t think it makes sense to spend a season trying to hope one can develop better ball handling and court vision though. He’s a good 2-guard, why must you decide he needs to play the point?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not looking at Thabo
as our longterm solution at Shooting guard, but we need more defense elsewhere (Up Front) if we take him out of the starting rotation.
…and I’m not the one deciding he should play the point, I’m the one defending the teams decision to have him play the point, there is a subtle difference ;-)
…..for the record, I am NOT opposed to moving him back to the 2, I just want Rubio is we do.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Draft Thabeet
First pick Thabeet, second pick PG. Takes care of both of your issues.
This season, it made sense to play him at the point. With the possibility of a legit point, Westbrook doesn’t need to play there.
So you are saying that he should play the point if Rubio isn’t the pick. Condescending Mr. P.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m just saying it depends on who we get to play the point. If we can’t pick somebody up via trade or draft that is capable of leading this offense, then Westbrook is still the guy.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
…and that’s not to say that we can’t get that done with our 2nd pick either. I’m just more skeptical at that point. I still wish we’d have kept Ridnour and traded Watson.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
KD is a SF… that’s where he is best. Westbrook’s versatility is a strength that allows the team to go either way. If we were to add Rubio, RW could play the 2. I’m sold on him being able to play either or both… Jet-Zero is that good.
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by AD. on May 9, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the comments MMunoz! Hope to see you around more regularly as well ;-)
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. Jet-Zero indeed.
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