2009 NBA Draft Coverage: Hello, My Name Is James Harden
Hello, my name is James Harden. I've been working hard trying to improve and impress scouts as we get closer to the 2009 NBA Draft, where I'm fully expecting to be a top 5 selection. I came across the article that Hasheem Thabeet wrote last week (Hello, My Name is Hasheem Thabeet) right here at WTLC, and because I feel like Oklahoma City is the best fit for me, as well as the highest spot I'm likely to be selected, I felt it only right that I should be able to write my own article and tell you why James Harden should be the Oklahoma City Thunder's #1 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft. I've also since been informed that Hasheem Thabeet didn't really write the article last week, but that it was written by WTLC creator/founder, Mr Pappagiorgio. Although, that's beside the point now because I've been inspired to plead my case as well...even though this is also being written by the same writer and not actually James Harden. Come on guys, I've said it before, and now for the rest of the article, get back to suspending disbelief.
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Nice summary of Harden
And a considerably safer pick (versus Thabeet). But if you’re building around the four of Durant/Green/Westbrook/Harden that center had better be a beast defending inside (particularly given Green’s well-documented problems defending PF/C and Durant’s struggles defensively). In short, Harden seems as good of a fit as anyone else in this draft.
I agree...
but I want that no matter what. I’ve also stated in the past, and I still stand by it, but I’d like to see Green come off the bench and be replaced by a more physical, true power forward. Reason being is I think Green can be a HUGE 6th man off the bench for this club, and still contribute a lot of minutes and help this team win. I don’t know if that’s a role he’d accept or not, but if the starting 5 becomes so good that Green can’t find a spot to start, you know you are on your way deep into the playoffs. Again, that’s no jab against Green, because I love the guy, I just don’t think he can be the main PF on a championship team unless we have a Dwight Howard type guy at Center, which is not likely to ever happen.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
…also I’m thinking the reason he was drafted in the first place (after Durant) was because they thought Durant would be a shooting guard. That’s the only reason why I think they’d have drafted both Durant and Green together like they did. Durant at the 2, and Green at the 3. Obviously it didn’t work out that way, so now they have to figure out how to use him at the PF, or figure out what to do with him if they don’t believe he can be the main minute getting at PF for a championship caliber team down the road.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree,
I think if we’re going to compare this team’s possible lineup to other teams it could go in two directions (or more, but two clear ones). If it drafts a Harden type player, then Durant and Green can be compared to Hedo and Rashard Lewis. Of course they have a dominant big man down low named Dwight Howard. Of course if they draft Thabeet, they could still be like the Magic.
If they draft a player like Jordan Hill or another power forward, then Green will have to come off the bench. This seems to be more like the Lakers, with a great 3/4 guy off the bench who’s not a terrific scorer, but a good one, and good at pretty much everything. I don’t know why the 6th man seems to be a ‘mark of shame’, but Green seems like the type of guy who could relish being the spark off the bench [plus I’d still expect him to get 30 mpg).
I like Harden...
over Thabeet. He seems less risky. Less likely to start having nagging injuries.
I think there are plenty of serviceable big men you can find to fill the 5 spot, when you have a foursome of Durant, Green, Westbrook and Harden, and be a championship caliber team.
by ElectricPencils on May 31, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions
I'm starting to lean in his direction too.
For such as "Weak" draft, there sure are a hell of a lot of guys in the top 10 I’d love to have.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
A lot of times in the past...
Supposed Weak Drafts turned out to be pretty strong. Who knows?
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Less risky, yes...
but from my point of view Harden barely wins over Thabeet. Either guy would fit well.
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I like Harden more than Thabeet but...
I have no problem with Harden and I have never been a big fan of Thabeet as i have seen him play too many times being in the NY area now and he gets dominated by physical players.
The only problem i have in the times i have watched Harden is it doesnt seem like he has that drive and desire to take over and while i know that with KD that is not as necessary i also believe that to be a top 5 pick and an excellent player in this league you cannot shy away from the big stage or the opportunities.
The guy who intrigues me the most in this draft for the Thunder’s needs is actually Derozan from USC because of his athleticism to play in transition, his mid range game and his potential as i think a defensive stopper if he hangs out with guys like Thabo. the key that is holding him back on the defensive end is he just plays too high sometimes in his stance, but he has all the tools to be that stopper. His weakness now is his outside game, but in what i have seen of him which is less than some others in this draft, i think is caused by the fact that when he shoots from long range he has a tendency to fade backwards on his shot.
In thinking more about this yesterday in my ideas to trade down as well as try to get the Washington pick i think is available because Flip Saunders has never really liked developing players and they need to win now would be a situation where we could try and draft both Harden and Derozan. some would say that is a waste, but since Derozan imo can play the 2 and the 3 he could be an instant offense guy off the bench. By the way i agree that eventually if they could get a “true post player” Jeff is better suited off the bench, but i dont see one worth taking here as i am not sold on Jordan Hill.
My ideal offseason for this team:
Take a Washington Salary dump for a year to get the 5 pick
Trade down with GS from 3 to 7 and get Randolph
Take Harden 5, Derozan 7
Sign Gortat
Lineup
Westbrook/Livingston
Harden, Derozan/Thabo
KD, Derozan
Jeff, Randolph
Kristic/Gortat
i would D-league Weaver and White probably to get them minutes, but that would be a great young top 10-12 man rotation
Great thoughts there leetch!
Hell of a comment. Very happy to have you contributing great comments like this on the site.
The whole scenario with taking a salary dump from Washington probably isn’t likely to happen unless the Thunder feel like they have a future with the salary dumped player. One thing Presti seems to stress is bringing in guys that will have a role on this team. Simply taking on a contract for another draft pick isn’t exactly his style.
Also, in terms of drafting Derozan and Harden is extremely unlikely because you just don’t have the amount of playing time to satisfy the growth needs of both players. Even though Derozan can play the 3, KD is going to be eating up 35-40 minutes at the 3, and then if you are already splitting time between Thabo and Harden at the two, it just seems like Derozan wouldn’t get the adequate time needed to progress.
I’m starting to lean toward Weaver and White playing in the D-League next year too, because they can get TONS more playing time down there while they still have access to D-League “assignments”
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
One thing Presti seems to stress is bringing in guys that will have a role on this team. Simply taking on a contract for another draft pick isn’t exactly his style.
I think that is why we took Atkins. Denver cleared a little cap space and we made a second round pick into a first round pick.
I’m starting to lean toward Weaver and White playing in the D-League next year too.
Says the person with 66er’s season tickets.
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I think that is why we took Atkins. Denver cleared a little cap space and we made a second round pick into a first round pick.
The difference here is that Atkins contract is very small compared to the salary dump it would take to get a top 5 pick.
Says the person with 66er’s season tickets.
Who me? :p :-D
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Playing time is the big
reason I’d like to see them both with the 66ers next season. Helping Tulsa have a winning team would just be a bonus.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
No offense, but this would never happen.
Washington won’t give up their 5th pick just for a salary dump.
GS will not trade Randolph because they love him. Brandan Wright maybe?
Also, drafting two wing players probably won’t happen either. It seems like they’d get a PG or a defensive presence down low first.
Yeah
I agree, won’t happen for a vast number of reasons. Wishful thinking never hurt anybody though ;-)
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Now if it were the Clippers at #5 ...
Or if someone in their FO were to consult with Al Davis for their decisions … or if … with all these possibilities, ONE of them needs to happen right?
;)
I believe one would call this a salary dump/.
“Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld insists he can do this is in ways that do not include breaking up the troika of Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler and Gilbert Arenas, including packaging the team’s lottery pick with a bad contract.”
...oh and coming Tuesday in the "Hello, My Name Is..." Series
Ricky Rubio
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
You know what I like most about James Harden?
He seems like he wants to get drafted by and play in Oklahoma City.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
great change
great change to these. i also love how everyday they add another player to the OKC hot for list. today it is steph curry according to hoopsworld. So in the last week it has been Thabeet, Rubio, Harden and Curry.
We have to keep them guessing...
so when we trade for Griffin, It’d be like we’re doing them a favor y’know since he has a short wingspan and everything.
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What Change?
:p
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I've said it before and I'll say it again....
Harden is a fat, slow, short version of Paul Pierce. I just don’t seem him being a game changer.
Since when the hell is 218 pounds fat for 6’5" ?
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 31, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody
picked up on the fact that my ego is so huge I had to drop myself some props in the first paragraph? LMAO :p
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