2009 NBA Draft Lottery: Thunder Worst Case Scenario
If you read our story, "Understanding the NBA Draft Lottery System," you probably saw that we mentioned the Oklahoma City Thunder's worst case scenario coming out of the NBA Draft Lottery. Towards the end of the post, we dove into the Odds of the Thunder winning the top spot in the lottery and in that same paragraph, briefly mentioned that the Thunder could walk away from the Lottery, with a Worst Case Scenario of, getting the #7 Overall Pick. So I thought it might be interesting to take a look at what our options would be should a disastrous lottery happen next week.
First of all, we might as well talk about what it will take for us to end up with the #7 overall pick, right? That way you at least realize the chances of this happening are extremely slim. At the same time though, nothing is impossible, just ask the Bulls about their slightly better than 1% chance of landing the top spot and grabbing Derrick Rose Last year. Although I don't know the odds of the Thunder winding up with the #7 pick, I can't imagine that its any better than what the Bulls had last year for winning the top overall pick, but again, it could happen. If you didn't read the post we mentioned above, it would take 3 teams outside the bottom four (Sacramento Kings, L.A. Clippers, Memphis Grizzlies, and Oklahoma City Thunder) landing the first three selections in the lottery. In the off chance that that happened the Kings would wind up with the #4 pick, Clips with #5, Grizzlies with #6, and the Thunder with the #7 overall pick since teams who don't get selected to the top three are arranged in order from worst record to best and assigned slots 4-14 based on that.
What we're about to discuss here is completely unscientific and would be potentially thrown out of whack since the OKC Thunder would no longer be picking in the top 6, and perhaps one of the other teams that would leapfrog them in position, would draft for need instead of picking the best player on the board. So disregarding that and looking at three Mock Drafts, we're going to eliminate the consensus top 6 picks from Ridiculous Upside, Draft Express, and HoopsHype. In all three of these mock drafts, they have the following players being taken in the top 6 places of the 2009 NBA Draft (Ordered here as seen on Ridiculous Upside): Ricky Rubio, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Hasheem Thabeet, Brandon Jennings, and Jordan Hill. So assuming that these 6 players are gone, and the Thunder are on the clock, what options would Sam Presti be looking at?
If we get stuck with the #7 overall pick, and the 6 guys listed above are gone, I think perhaps we should shift our focus to finding the right guard to fit our lineup. The reason for this is outside of finding a solution in the backcourt, our other big hole is at Center, and after Thabeet, the next center is not likley to come off the board until around the 20th pick. Looking at this draft class, guards are likely to be going at a very quick rate, especially after Griffin, Hill, and Thabeet come off the board. But, do we want to focus on bringing in a shooting guard, or can we find the point guard of the future in this group of guards and shift Russ back to his natural position? As much confidence as I have in RW0 growing into a solid point guard, it likely is in the best interest of the team and Westbrook to go ahead and move him back to the 2, and look toward drafting a point guard with the #7 overall pick. But which one?
Well, if you ask me, when you have RW0, Kevin Durant, and Jeff Green all in the starting lineup, you really need somebody to get them the ball and be a big time assist guy. For me, the best fit of the remaining point Guards is Ty Lawson. There are several reasons why I like Ty Lawson for the Thunder with the #7 overall pick. First and foremost is solid court vision which leads to a phenomenal assists to turnover ration, 6.6 to 1.9 per game. For a young team, turnovers are always a BIG problem, and that proved to be the case this season for our young team, so having a point guard who is careful with the ball and not turning it over constantly is a big plus. Another reason why he is a nice fit is because of his quickness and speed, which makes him deadly when leading a fast break. Seriously can you picture Ty leading a fast break with Westbrook, Green, and Durant all sprinting down the court with him? How do you stop that? Finally his outside shot would add a much needed boost from beyond the arc and his overall shooting percentage is pretty solid as well. He is a true point guard who could develop into a solid leader of the offense with the proper coaching and guidance. He can come in and immediately be productive and help this ballclub win. With Lawson and Westbrook in the backcourt, you could definitely be seeing the makings of one of the better guard tandems in the league should they both meet their full potential.
Several other options at point guard could also be Stephen Curry and Johnny Flynn, but I don't believe either of those guys' game would fit our style of offense as well as Ty Lawson or be able to distribute the ball as well. I'm curious as to what Thunder fans think we should do if put in this position, so please, by all means, post your thoughts below. Also, there is always the option of trading down, is that something we should consider if this were to happen? I personally don't think so, but would love to hear arguments to the contrary.
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Not a Thunder fan
but must say, I think if they do have to make a pick and if Rubio, Griffin & the bigs are gone, I think a distributor is the best option. That’s part of the reason I thought they should go with DJ Augustin over Westbrook last year… I felt like he was more of a distributor and would work better alongside Durant, Green & co. Throw in Westbrook now (& Krstic?) and a distributor becomes even more important (or maybe it’s just j-slow’s philosophy getting to me).
I guess the only real question would be… is it too much of a reach? The PGs are solid, but the mocks seem to vary in where they should go (nbadraft has Jennings in the top-10 and Lawson & Flynn in the mid-teens, while draft express has all 3 of them in the top 12 and RU has them in the top 10).
If Lawson is a top 10 prospect, you take him. But if he’s considered to be a mid-1st rounder (16-20 range) do you take him at 7? Or maybe take Jennings? (I don’t think this’ll be a problem… Lawson will probably improve his stock during the off-season, but I’m just asking.)
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by Scott Schroeder on May 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably something to the effect
of making RU your homepage. And the homepage of all of your friends. And everyone else’s computer that you can get a hand on.
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I'd be fine
if it was Draft Express as well. :-)
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by Scott Schroeder on May 13, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
If I wasn’t so in love with myself (WTLC), Ridiculous Upside would be my homepage :-D
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 13, 2009 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions
At number 7, you definitely don’t want to draft a guy projected to go 15-20, but Lawson’s stock seems to be going up as we get closer to the draft. In the scenario above, he would be my clear cut pick. Jennings would also be a nice pick at 7 but doesn’t look to be available, at least based on the three mock drafts we listed above.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
Oh, oops
missed his name in the “already gone” part. Just skimmed over it and assumed it was another big.
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Yeah, it’s hard to draft a guy that’s already been picked, unless you pull off a draft m trade deal with whomever took him before we pick.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I thought I had a bleak outlook on this draft, but this would be absolutely awful. I still hope we can get Blake, but I am a realist. So I have now shifted my gears to the idea of Thabeet or Hill. But with this scenario I wouldn’t mind a trade down to get Flynn, he really impressed me in the NCAA Tourney. I would also be content with Curry, because even if he can’t be a point he will be valuable as a kickout shooter for Durant or Westbrook. I will say this, if the Thunder draft the Robert Swift clone out of Ohio State, BJ Mullins, I will be very pissed off.
Yeah, this would be the worst case scenario...
…still the 7th overall pick is not a bad thing to have. There have been many NBA greats that were still available at 7, almost in every draft. The Thunder are basically a coin flip to place in the top 4 picks overall (47.7%), and in all likelihood will have a top 5 pick (82.2%).
My draft board would look something like this:
- Blake Griffin
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Ricky Rubio
- Brandon Jennings
- James Harden
- DeMar DeRozan
- Stephen Curry
One of those players would be available at 7. Some of you may think I have Jennings kind of high, but that guy will be great (IMO).
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by dishingoutdimes on May 12, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think Jennings is too high...
I think Rubio is too low :p
…no way I’m taking Thabeet over Rubio.
…..and no Jordan Hill in that group, what are your thoughts on him?
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I based my list on what the Thunder need
I think Jordan Hill is a couple years away from being a solid contributor at the NBA level. He’s a raw talent, but he works hard and will fight for rebounds. I wouldn’t mind seeing him, but he’s a similar size to Jeff Green right now. I think the Thunder need a true PF or C. Basically he’s athletic, but raw.
I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Thunder took him. I think he’ll eventually be an anderson varejao type player who is an energy guy who will grab some rebounds. His offensive game needs some big time development.
Rubio seems like one of those flashy guys that might be a big hit or a big miss. Thabeet is 7’3" and if he adds some strength he could give the Thunder a legitimate center with more talent than they’ve got in Krstic. That’s why I have Thabeet a bit ahead of Rubio, but they, along with Jennings are all pretty much equal in my mind after Griffin. Harden, DeRozan and Curry, along with Hill, round out the next tier of players after the top 4.
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by dishingoutdimes on May 12, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Take
I love the size of Thabeet, but am so leery of him falling into the long line of failed centers to come through the organization. At the same time, I think I’d be excited if we ended up with him, 7’3"? Yes Please.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: Thabeet
I also think he fits in the sense that the Thunder don’t exactly need another scorer. Sure, a low-post guy getting 20 would be nice, but when you have Westbrook/Durant/(Green?), getting a defensive-minded center that can occasionally provide some points seems more useful than getting a offensive-minded big who might provide some D.
Of course, maybe I’m just way off base and haven’t seen the Thunder enough…
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Defensive minded is definitely what we want in a center. 8-14 points with 10-15 rebounds and 4 blocks per game soul probably be ideal, and Thabeet definitely has that kind of potential.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 13, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I can see where you’d be wary of drafting a center. It’s hard to find a can’t miss guy at the top of the board as a center. I think Thabeet has the potential to be very good, but he needs to have a good work ethic and bulk up.
Chad Ford sees Jordan Hill turning into a Ronny Turiaf type, while he thinks Thabeet will wind up more like Mutumbo.
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by dishingoutdimes on May 12, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take a "Mutumbo" type
Center, wouldn’t you? I’ve heard that before, and if he can develop into a Mutumbo like center, this team would surely be in the championship discussion several years down the road if he ends up being our pick.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Thabeet
Thabeet would probably be my second choice for the Thunder too. Everyone keeps talking about big centers being a bust, which I am concerned with as well. But, those guys usually have nagging injurys that started manifesting long before their NBA debuts (See Greg Oden, although jury is still out). As far as I know Thabeet has been pretty healthy during his college career.
For this organization, we’ve had both, guys with injuries, and guys without, all have been busts. So we’ll remain skeptical until someone proves us wrong…unfortunately.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 12, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
What ever happened to
the trio of 1st rounders (Swift, Petro, Sene)?
I see Swift is still on the team (or was)… but what happened to the other 2?
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Swift’s 1 year contract is up and likely to be let go, Petro was traded midseason to the Nuggets for Chucky Atkins and a Denver 1st pick. Sene was waived by the Thunder when they signed Krstic to a 3 year deal also around mid-season, and was picked up by the Knicks and made 1 appearance for them, I believe.
…sadly those are just the 3 most recent 7 ft failures to pass through Seattle/Okc. That list is much longer and just as disappointing.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 13, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
…or wait, I think it was Steven Hill who got waived when Krstic got signed. I’d have to go back and look to see when Sene was released. I’ll check later, take to long on my phone.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 13, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Griffin
Sam Presti. Trade up, get Blake Griffin. Enough said. Trade EVERY pick if you have to. But if you want every home game to sell out, get Griffin.
by beltownsoldier27 on May 13, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions
If only it were that easy.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 13, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
Thanks Mr. Pappagiorgio, like that name by the way, the Lampoons series is great. And sorry guys for the Longhorn pic but I am a Longhorn fan so with that said, send me the hate mail lol. But really, I respect OU and everything they do, and I have the utmost respect for the OU basketball program and how they’ve risen to greatness these last few seasons. But Blake Griffin is a beast. I honestly think if Presti traded his current pics we could get that #1 spot. As a Laker fan it would scare me to see Griffin go to OKC simply because they already have a promising team and Griffin would only top it off. But I am a resident of the state of Oklahoma so as everyone else has done, I’ve taken a good liking to the Thunder and I’m proud to say I will be attending a few home games this year. I just seriously believe with all of the draft picks we’ve accumulated I think we could land Griffin. It would more than likely take every pick we have plus maybe Watson or Swift but to me it would be well worth it. Call me crazy, but that’s my opinion as a Thunder supporter.
by beltownsoldier27 on May 13, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, several things....
We don’t have Swift as an asset to trade, and even if we did, he’d likely be of little value. Watson, can be packaged together with a draft pick, but that would likely be for another veteran players with multiple years left on his contract for a team looking to clear cap space for next summer.
We only have two picks left in this years draft, our first pick, and the 25th overall pick since we traded away our 3rd first rounder for Thabo shortly before the deadline. So we’d have to dip into future draft picks as well to get that deal done. Seriously it would take a minimum of our first pick this year, and next year, plus who knows whatever else to even think about someone trading that top pick away to us. Its just not likely to happen, in a draft that is so widely regarded as weak, whoever gets that #1 pick is unlikely to give it up, even for the top Thunder pick this and next year, especially as next year is likely to be not nearly as high as this year.
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 13, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
Why don’t you just win the lottery?
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by Scott Schroeder on May 14, 2009 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions
We're trying :p
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 14, 2009 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the Oklahoma City way
After stealing the Sonics, why not steal Blake Griffin? Just makes sense.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 14, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...excuse me a sec...
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by Mr Pappagiorgio on May 14, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
?
Jus’ sayin.
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by Scott Schroeder on May 15, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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