Loud Links: 12/08/2009
by manifestus on Dec 8, 2009 10:18 PM CST
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PrintHere's Tuesday's edition of Loud Links. Lots of recap articles, so I'll present really just the one. Same goes for more of that Durant/Oden debate, what with the injury and all. There's stuff on OKC's sales tax extension (you know, the one that paid for arena the Thunder play in) and talk about Clay looking at setting up some exhibition games.
Thunder 104, Warriors 88 | Thunder Rumblings | newsok.com
If ever you get sick of hearing about the character of the Thunder, about how the players genuinely get along, or how they’re good for the community, Monday’s game served as a reminder of the shade of green that lies on the other side. Golden State, in 48 minutes, should have shown you all you needed to thank the basketball gods after every game for the type of players being gathered in Oklahoma City. The Thunder has a locker room filled with 20-somethings who understand the meaning of team. They play hard and they play for each other. They spend time off the court and they do their damndest to ensure everyone excels on it. Golden State is a franchise in turmoil.
Tim Donaghy, Greg Oden among hot topics in NBA - NBA - SI.com
They made a mistake, but not because of Oden's injury. It doesn't take an NBA scout's mind to realize that Oden, while a big and capable center with superior defensive instincts, does not have nearly the same upside as Durant, a potential All-Star this season and a sure-fire MVP candidate within a few years. Oden will be back, no doubt, and I believe he'll have a long and productive career. But he won't be as dominant as Durant, which is what the Blazers were hoping Oden would become when they selected No. 1.
James Harden knows how to draw the line | NewsOK.com
Harden scored a career-high 26 points in the Thunder’s 104-88 win over Golden State Warriors on Monday night at the Ford Center. Half his points came at the line. Before last year’s NBA Draft, Harden was best known as a left-handed sharpshooter. What was rarely mentioned is he got to the line as frequently as any player in Arizona State history other than Ike Diogu.
The Associated Press: OKC voters to decide whether to extend sales tax | AP
Oklahoma City leaders pushed for the first MAPS plan in 1993 as the malaise from the early 1980s oil bust hung over the area. Approved by 53 percent of voters, it paid for the construction of a new arena in which the NBA's Oklahoma City Thunder now plays, a baseball stadium and a canal that helped convert an aging warehouse district into an entertainment destination known as Bricktown.
Arkansas Exploring NBA Exhibition in Walton Arena | Arkansas Sports 360.com
Could Bud Walton Arena be used to host a future preseason NBA game? Apparently, it's being discussed. Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long revealed that via Twitter on Monday night. He was in New York City and the idea was bandied about over dinner with Oklahoma City Thunder owner Clay Bennett.
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Obviously Oden’s potential as a defensive stoppper is valued higher than an another above average NBA scorer. I’m not knocking KD in the slightest, it just seems nearly every team (including us) are looking for the defensive big man that Oden can become.
I’m seriously happy that Map3 passed. Have you guys seen the projects that they are planning?
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MAPs
Yeah me too. I was really scared it wouldn’t pass, so much negative buzz on this MAPs, or at least from what I’ve seen from a far.
Also, Tim Donaghy is a low life dirt bad. I listened to one of his interviews serious scumbag, cannot believe anything he says.
I think Oden will be awesome if he ever stays healthy.
Defense starts in the center. Needing to get a dominant inside defender before a dominant outside defender might be an old-school thought, but it’s still true. I with the Thunder had Joakim Noah. Guys like Jeff Green, if not quite as good, will be there every year, Kyle Singler this year. THe Thunder will have a helluva time getting someone as cheap and productive and efficient as Noah at this point (because they’ll be too good to get a draft pick that high), but hopefully they can get someone close and rotate vets in there on the cheap.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Noah
is the future of the position. That type of player. Long, athletic, tenacious. He’s the energetic big man.
People talk about players like Oden and how rare they are…of course they’re rare, because they’re so fragile. Big men like that are great in theory, but they tend to break down. Shaq is an exception. He’s last a lot longer than anyone could’ve ever hoped.
Most of the time, a big man is either a bust (like Swift) or he’ll break down (like Oden).
by ElectricPencils on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions
The question that hovers on my mind now
Is whether Portland gives him a contract extension when he gets back. If not, do we jump in? Yes, he’s evidently prone to injury. But he’s also somewhat of an interesting risk/reward player … After (if) he comes back his value is going to be pretty darn low given that he’s now going to forever have to live with that “fragile as glass” tag.
I think
They resign him….. Untill we here he cannot play due to injuryi would sign him maybe 4-5 mil a year…. Because if he gets hurt and is finished the insurrance will take care of the rest… Let’s face it GO is really really good and still getting better it’s really a winwin to keep him
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
by bouzi on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"maybe 4-5 mil"???
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He'll have all of next year to prove his worth.
He’ll be worth the max if he comes back and isn’t injured… even if just for partially this year and all of next. You guys are severely underrating his potential. He was the second most efficient-scoring center in theleague this year!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You know what you call the most talented guy on IR?
Greg Oden.
All the talent in the world means nothing if you’re not on the court.
If he plays a total of 164 games in his career, I’d be amazed.
by ElectricPencils on Dec 9, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Remember Zydrunas Ilgauskas?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's not underrating him
He folks were underrating him, he wouldn’t be worth the MLE, much less pocket change. The fact of the matter is that he’s been able to stay on the court of all 82 games. Young centers playing all of 1/3 of the time are going to be absolutely destroyed when it comes to their projected development. Lets say he comes all the way back — how much would you pay for a guy who might be injured 1/2 the time? 1/3 of the time? 1/4 of the time? That’s the part where teams start looking at how much he’s worth in comparison to a less upside but also less downside center. For example, would a team rather have Gortat or Oden?
You cannot predict injuries.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would never say he would be worth a max contract
But your right maybe mire than 5 mil a year … More like a short 3/27 or 3/30 never a long term contract though
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
by bouzi on Dec 10, 2009 6:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not if he comes back and plays 80 games next year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Very cheaply
I mean, we took a shot with Livingston.
Sadly, I just don’t think these injuries are freak occurrences. I think his body is built to break down.
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