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Lets talk Westbrook

hisjazziness put it succinctly in his recap of the last game (emphasis mine):

19 Thunder turnovers led to 25 Lakers points. There was just a general carelessness with the ball. This happens too much from Westbrook. I love watching him play, and he does some amazing things (like the block on Gasol and the career high 3 blocks in general) but there are times when he has a shoot-first mentality (something I don't like out of a point guard) and other times when he's not careful with the ball.

Westbrook dished out 7 assists to pair with a team-high six turnovers. While it could theoretically have been even worse, that's definitely not good. Couple the loose ball-handling with a 0.313 FG% on 16 attempts (2nd behind Durant's 20 attempts) and you're asking for disaster. Point of the matter is that Westbrook needs to stop losing the ball -- and tone down the shoddy shooting. On the flip side, one can't allow Bynum to dominate the interior to the point of an 0.818 FG%, 9 boards, 2 blocks, 25 points AND a steal ... in under 30 minutes. To make matters worse, Gasol and Bynum combined for a grand total of 2 personal fouls. The Thunder were thoroughly destroyed inside on both sides of the ball.

However, that's just one game in isolation -- and while it was a thoroughly terrible one, one game is just one game. The more interesting question would be to ask how Westbrook's been doing in the early going overall? Beyond what we've all obviously observed in game to game lapses or highlight moments, I thought it'd be fun to take a few seconds to pull up some of his aggregate stats for this young season.

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To date, Westbrook features a TOV% (estimate of turnovers per 100 plays) of 19.0 for the year. That's worse than his aggregate of 82 games from last year (TOV% of 17.6) -- and last year was pretty ugly in that department. Obviously, the off-season plan to work on reducing turnovers hasn't been paying dividends in the early going. Given that he led the league in turnovers last year (with 274!) you'd better hope he starts getting a grip on that, or things are going to get very, very ugly in short order. If you can believe it, RW0 is featuring a higher TS% of 0.520 this year (versus 0.489 last year) even though he's been looking pretty awful shooting the ball (though this personal viewpoint may be slightly affected by visual remnants of seeing him tossing bricks around the court in that last game). Then again, a TS% of 0.520 is nothing to write home about, but as a personal comparison I suppose it does merit notice that while he's been lackluster as a shooter this year, last year he was flat out terrible. As an illustration for comparison's sake Chris Paul's aggregate TS% last year was 0.599, Steve Nashended the year at 0.615, and Jameer Nelsonfeatured a 0.612 TS%. Improvement is good, but Westbrook is far from a deadeye shooter, and jacking up all those blanks is hurting the team.

The question is ... what is it going to take? Is it time to start limiting some of his minutes and giving them to someone else on the roster until he gets it in his head to stop shooting when he can't actually make that shot? Do we have someone else handle the ball more, so as to prevent his ridiculous turnover percentage from costing us momentum and games? Or is it just a matter of throwing him out there enough times and hoping he finally learns how to protect AND shoot the ball?

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I've been harping

on RW0’s recklessness all season. He has had some outstanding performances as well. I think it was against the Spurs when he had 11 assists and 0 turnovers. But overall, in the games I’ve seen, he plays out of control, outrunning the offense, rather than waiting for his teammates and setting it up.

I know he was drafted as a 2, but I actually like the way Harden can handle and distribute the ball.

It’s his second season, and there is tons of potential, so I certainly wouldn’t endorse dumping Russell, but something has to be done. Maybe a mentor. What’s John Stockton up to these days?

by ElectricPencils on Nov 23, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Last night's game is a bad example to use.

Westbrook stayed on the floor extended minutes because his only backup (Ollie) got hurt (Weaver got D-Leagued and Livingston is recovering).

Long story short is that the Thunder got manhandled. RW0, KD, and Krstic got overwhelmed by their stronger counter-parts.

I still think Westbrook can pan out. His court vision is getting better and when he messes up Brooks does take him out of the game.

Honestly… I’m sick of all the negativity towards RW0. Just be happy his game evolving and he is one of the league leaders in assists.

Your friendly neighborhood Loud City resident.

by daddydai on Nov 23, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He's also

one of the league leaders in turnovers.

Like I said, I’m certainly not ready to give up on him, but he’s got to start playing in control of his game.

by ElectricPencils on Nov 23, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah... I'm trying to stay posistive here.

Your friendly neighborhood Loud City resident.

by daddydai on Nov 24, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He is one of the league leaders in assists

But that’s expected when you’re asked to be the primary ball-handler. At that point it’s a matter of looking at the A/T ratio … and when you look there it’s not so hot. Negativity is fine, so long as it isn’t out of context or entirely off-base. He does hold lots of promise, which is why this is far more infuriating.

by manifestus on Nov 23, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the mixed emotions...

Remember there are 30 primary ball-handlers in the NBA, and RW0 delivers better than 23 of them. I can’t fault all the TO’s on Westbrook. I’ve seen him deliver excellent passes to Kristic, Thomas, and Durant which were fumbled away. There is also too much hesitation to shoot on this team. I’ve seen Westbrook deliver the ball to a wide open Nenad on the elbow, then Nenad would just throw the ball back. That in turn forces Westbrook to jack up a shot at the last second.

If his teammates would convert on a regular basis, I believe RW0 could be averaging closer to 10 assists a game.

Durant also coughs up the ball a lot. If I’m not mistaken KD leads the league in turnovers from the G/F position. I don’t see anyone say KD should drive the basketball with his mediocre ball handling skills.

Right now, I think the biggest gripe should be RW0’s shooting (which you did already mention).

Your friendly neighborhood Loud City resident.

by daddydai on Nov 24, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I gripe about Durant

all the time, making poor shot selections, missing wide open 3s and relying on free throws to get the bulk of his points.

RW0’s problem is a team problem and that’s inconsistency. Everyone on this team is up and down.

The difference between the Thunder and say, the Lakers, is that with LA, you know who is getting theirs, almost without exception, and with OKC, it could be any number of people on a given night trying to carry the team.

by ElectricPencils on Nov 24, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah sure ...

If one looks at forwards for this season, in terms of straight up numbers of turnovers, yes — Durant is second (with 46) after LeBron and before Carmelo, Stephen Jackson, and Amare Stoudemire (all tied with 40 apiece). However, (again amongst players primarily playing the forward position during the early part of this season) Anthony Randolph, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, Amir Johnson, and Caron Butler round out the top 5 for TOV% (turnovers per 100 plays). Jeff Green at #15 features a TOV% of 12.6, and Durant is 26th with a TOV% of 11.8 thus far. But you’re right — adjust for games played and Durant and Green probably both jump up into the top 10 or so. Westbrook is about 14th amongst guards. The problem is mostly the point of comparison. Are we comparing RW0 to all the other guards, or are we looking to hold him to the standards of the elite tier of guards? If we’re okay with comparing Westbrook to Chris Duhon, Mike Conley, Rafer Alston, and Jarrett Jack (or even Hinrich) then sure whatever (not that I have anything against any of them). If we’re looking to compare his Assists, Turnovers, A/T ratio, TS%, eFG%, etc to the likes of Nash, CP3, Deron Williams (or even Brandon Roy, Ray Allen, etc) and such … well then the question of how he’s doing right now ends up a tad different. Further provoking the issue, RW0 isn’t making a huge breakthrough in any one area. It’s fine if you’re terrible at shooting (and he’s not as terrible at it as he could theoretically be) so long as you’re superb at managing the ball or defending or something else. The problem that he’s facing is … just not showcasing what everyone is expecting of him, with any sort of consistency. Some of it is entirely on him, but a lot of it (as you note) can be directly attributed to surrounding teammates. I’m not sure of the immediate solution, but it’s definitely something we’d all hope he makes progress on, otherwise … yeesh.

by manifestus on Nov 24, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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